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Re: more soap box

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From: Eric S. Raymond
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1989 14:53
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In <22308@cup.portal.com> Cliff C Heyer wrote:
> the *big iron* guys use MIPS as a trojan horse to hide the *real*
> performance issue - "real world" I/O bandwidth. Lets blow their
> cover!)

Huh? The `big iron' crowd is happy to talk I/O bandwidth, it's about the
only place general-purpose mainframes got room to shine any more. It's
the *PC/workstation* crowd that's prone to yell about MIPS and whisper
about I/O performance.

As well they might. For most job-mixes, 16MHz+ UNIX micros are disk-limited
rather than processor-limited. To see this, rip out your crufty old ST406/512
controller/drive pair and drop in a track-buffering ESDI or SCSI controller
with 1:1 interleave -- and watch your real performance *double*.

Part of this is low bus bandwidth (especially on AT-bus machines) but most is
simply that processor technology has outrun mass-storage technology, very much
as happened a decade ago when the VAX and other second-generation minis got
off the ground (the parallel is reinforced by the strong similarity between
present micro architectures and those minis -- go compare the 680x0
instruction set to a PDP-11's sometime).

Barring a quantum leap in mass-storage technology, this gap is probably going
to get wider rather than narrower. Therefore, expect the MIPS smoke-and-mirrors
to get *more* intense...
-- 
      Eric S. Raymond = eric@snark.uu.net    (mad mastermind of TMN-Netnews)
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From: eric@snark.uu.net (Eric S. Raymond)
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Subject: Re: more soap box
Message-ID: <1SsYy5#6pYhHg=eric@snark.uu.net>
Date: 21 Sep 89 14:53:40 GMT
References: <21962@cup.portal.com> <1989Sep12.031453.22947@wolves.uucp>
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