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Article #2679Re: ERISC???
From: Dick Dunn
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1989 04:46
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1989 04:46
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davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.COM (Wm E Davidsen Jr) writes:
> From what I've read and heard, the reason for developing RISC was
> *not* as an end in itself, but for speed. By reducing the cycles per
> instruction more instructions per send would be executed. Only to do
> that the instruction set was made smaller. Enter RISC.
OK. This points out something which Colwell (in the uncited parent to
Davidsen's article) also alluded to--the goal is not to produce a RISC; the
goal is to produce a fast machine. RISC is a means to that end. But we do
have to beware goal substitution.
> I am a true believer in reducing the cycles per instruction, but I see
> no virtue in having fewer instructions for any reason other than speed.
> I am not offended by a chip with 1024 instructions, if it averages 1.1
> cycles/op...
Nor am I, but that wasn't the point. The America processor, if you believe
the _EE_Times_ article that started this (a notable "if"!), has substan-
tially more instructions than, say, an 80386. It may be fast, but that's
not a reduced instruction set. If they've made a new fast computer, let's
call it a new fast computer and not slap the "RISC" label on it just
because RISC is in vogue.
In fact, it is interesting to examine the question Colwell mentioned--
namely, did the America work abandon the RISC approach? There's a lot to
kick around there, but it's going to require that we stop talking as if
RISC==fast. (Of course, if we're going to examine whether America con-
stitutes an abandonment of the RISC approach, we'll need more info on
America, including real price and performance data.)
--
Dick Dunn rcd@ico.isc.com uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!rcd (303)449-2870
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!ico!vail!rcd From: rcd@ico.isc.com (Dick Dunn) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: ERISC??? Summary: the point was "Is it RISC?" not "Is it good?" Message-ID: <1989Oct19.044615.7973@ico.isc.com> Date: 19 Oct 89 04:46:15 GMT References: <16190@vail.ICO.ISC.COM> <2393@gmu90x.UUCP> <1087@m3.mfci.UUCP> <1228@crdos1.crd.ge.COM> Organization: Interactive Systems Corporation Lines: 32