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Article #2745Re: ATTACK OF KILLER MICROS
From: Sean Fagan
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1989 06:41
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1989 06:41
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In article <9078@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> kahn@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu writes: >The Cray-XMP is considerably slower than the YMP. >The single-processor XMP is no-longer a supercomputer. >Take a program requiring more than 128MBytes of memory (or 64 MBytes >for that matter (but I personally prefer more than 256M to excerice the >VM system alittle!)) (i.e. a relatively BIG job, a *supercomputer* job) What?! Uhm, excercising the Cray's VM system is definitely going to be an interesting job -- Seymour doesn't *believe* in VM! (Well, anecdote has it that he doesn't *understand* it 8-).) I have mixed feelings about VM (as anybody who's seen more than three of my postings probably realizes 8-)): on one hand, yes, getting page faults will tend to slow things down. However, the system can be designed, from a software point of view, in such a way that page faults will be kept to a minimum. Also, having about 4 Gbytes of real memory tends to help. And, face it, swapping programs in and out of memory can be a time-consuming process, even on a Cray -- if you're dealing with 100+ Mword programs! Other supercomputers have VM, of course. However, I have never gotten the chance to play on, say, an ETA-10 to compare it to a Cray (I asked someone, once, at FSU for an account, and I was turned down 8-)). My personal opinion is that the machine is not as fast for quite a number of applications, but having the VM might help it beat a Cray in Real-World(tm) situations. Anybody got any data on that? And, remember: memory is like an orgasm: it's better when it's real (paraphrasing Seymour). 8-) -- Sean Eric Fagan | "Time has little to do with infinity and jelly donuts." seanf@sco.COM | -- Thomas Magnum (Tom Selleck), _Magnum, P.I._ (408) 458-1422 | Any opinions expressed are my own, not my employers'.
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!sco!seanf From: seanf@sco.COM (Sean Fagan) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: ATTACK OF KILLER MICROS Message-ID: <3467@scolex.sco.COM> Date: 21 Oct 89 06:41:07 GMT References: <35825@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> <2121@brazos.Rice.edu> <35897@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> <9078@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> Reply-To: seanf@sco.COM (Sean Fagan) Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Lines: 33