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Article #2799Re: ATTACK OF KILLER MICROS
From: Grunwald Betr. Tichy
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1989 14:47
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1989 14:47
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I followed the articles for some time and want to mention some points.
1. Hardware costs are only a fraction of the cost. To do real big problems you
need lots of support software and you relie on it. So if you use a PC
you will have to write more code (or buy spezialised code at a high price)
and trust your version. This is hard because numeric mathematic is not so
easy as it seems and if your aircraft comes down or your bridge cracks, its
to late to blame yourself.
2. Parallel computers will need a Pascal (C,Modula,Ada,..) like language, which
can be compiled and run on a scalable architekture. Nobody wants to rewrite
all programs, if he gets more processors. It would be even better to have
it scaled at runtime, so the process runs faster, if the no other users want
the processors too.
I know only the Connection Machine doing that, and this machine is not as
general purpose as a Workstation. (What OS has the CM ? What Languages ?
Can you compile a CM program to work on other Computers ? (not simulated)
3. Some Problems are just to big for a PC. Even if you have a more
sophisticated system then the normal Primitiv Computer, there are a lot
of problems which have been scaled down to run on supercomputers. So further
downscaling is not possible without a substantial loss of accuracy.
(accuracy is not only the length of a floating point. Its how much points
can your grids have? What differential equations are possible ? What about
error control ? (Its useless getting wrong results faster. You have to know
about the error range.))
My opinion is, supercomputers will exist a long time in future and MICROS still
have a long way to go, to match the performance.
Most people comparing the power don't think of the background of the
numbercrunchers and that are lots of software packages and big disks to record
the results, what is a big part of the machines cost.
Don't get me wrong: I'm a Micro User (OS9-680x0) and I like it, but I know that
things are not so easy in the supercomputing area as some people might think.
Knut Grunwald, Raiffeisenstr. 8, 7555 Elchesheim-Illingen, West-Germany
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!unido!iraun1!Tokyo!grunwald From: grunwald@Tokyo.ira.uka.de (Grunwald Betr. Tichy) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: ATTACK OF KILLER MICROS Summary: Hardware cost is not enough Message-ID: <1218@iraun1.ira.uka.de> Date: 23 Oct 89 14:47:44 GMT References: <35825@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> <127@csinc.UUCP> <33802@ames.arc.nasa.gov> <128@csinc.UUCP> Sender: news@iraun1.ira.uka.de Reply-To: grunwald@Tokyo.UUCP (Grunwald Betr. Tichy) Organization: University of Karlsuhe, West-Germany Lines: 37