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Article #21892Re: The Killer Micro From Hell [Really: fight over who agrees the most]
From: John Mashey
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1989 10:26
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1989 10:26
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In article <789@stat.fsu.edu> mccalpin@stat.fsu.edu (John Mccalpin) writes:
>In article <788@stat.fsu.edu> I wrote:
.....
>To which brooks@maddog.llnl.gov (Eugene Brooks) replied:
.....
>By the way, the most cost-effective machine on my code is the new
>Stardent 3000. It runs at about 1/15 of the speed of the Cray on a
>per-cpu basis and is less than 1/50 of the cost.... Too bad I can't
>afford one!
My brain may be jet-lagged, but if I ignore the random shots, I think
what I heard was:
1) The protagonists in this argument, both of whom have access to various
flavors of supercomputers and Killer Micros, and either of whom would happily
consume infinite bunches of cycles:
a) Mostly agree on the fundamentals, which I think are:
a1) Supercomputers are still way ahead of KMs on raw performance for vectorizable stuff.
a2) KMs are ahead of supercomputers on cost-performance for
scalar things.
a3) Supercomputers are still Good Things, and they'd like them
to be free, but since they aren't, it's rapidly becoming a good
idea to move scalar codes to KMs when possible, and let the
Supers spend more of their time doing what they do best.
a4) Vector KMs (like Stardent) might be ahead of supers on
cost/performance for at least some vector codes.
a5) The KMs (as a group) are gaining, at least somewhat.
b) Maybe disagree a little on:
b1) Whether KMs are ahead on raw scalar performance (since some
of this depends on exactly when the newest KMs ship, and what
supers/minisupers appear in the same timeframe. And of course,
this all depends on the benchmark...
b2) Whether scalar KMs are effectively (i.e., in the necessarily
large configurations) ahead in cost/performance on vector probs.
b3) Exactly how fast the KMs are gaining.
I think this whole argument can interestingly be reduced to filling in this
chart [which I can't do, but maybe others can]:
Relative Performance of KMs [pick some] versus some supers [pick some] in 1990:
KM type Problem Type
Scalar Scalar Vector Vector Paral. Paral. Vec-Par Vec-Par
Perf Cst/Per Perf Cst/Prf Perf Cst/Prf Perf Cst/Prf
Fast Scalar Uni >= > < ?
Scalar Multi >
Vector Multi > < >
So, for instance, pick RC6280, SGI 4D/xxx, Stardent, vs (some) current Cray,
and try filling in the boxes with <, =, or >, at least (i.e., < means the
KM is less good than super, etc). (I've filled in what I thought I heard,
with the ? showing an argument.)
Is that at least a more definite framework for the argument? If not, what is?
--
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