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5 total messages Started by Bill Heine Wed, 27 Mar 1996 04:14
Buyer Beware
#781
Author: Bill Heine
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 04:14
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BUYER BEWARE

Galacticomm has long been known as the provider of typical BBS software.  Their reputation for stable technology is good.  However, 
their reputation for misleading customers has surpassed all.  This company is lead by a group of kids trying to play business.  The 
decisions made are constantly proving the that a 24 year old, uneducated programmer and a 40 year old programmer, less common 
sense, cannot run a company.  Clear evidence of their lack of understanding in the corporate market is their latest brochure.  Brilliant 
words such as DOODLY and FRICKEN, along with COOL are used in attempt to excite the business man of the 90's.  This type of 
business decision is a prime example why they can't sell the product nor keep industry valued employees.  Their childish attitudes and 
unstandardized product demonstrates that a good programmer cannot run a company.

Some of the concerns a customer should have when visiting the Galacticomm sales group, that is an over-statement, are as follows:

1) Galacticomm has always bragged about the ability to do 256 users on one pentium computer, even though they haven't been able to 
do this for years.  They now unwittingly say that it can handle over 100 users.  This is a big difference.  I think the most appauling thing 
is that they will still sell a customer a 256 user license, knowing that the system will not be able to do over 180 users, maybe 190 if 
you disable every option available.  If they told the customer this then the customer would only by a license for 188, or so.  This would 
result in a $4,000 savings for the customer or a $4,000 dollar loss for Galacticomm.  You be the judge.  Customers that have 
purchased 256 licenses in the last year or two should ask for a refund on the unuseable licenses, since it is well documented that you 
were ripped off.

2) Galacticomm has a good group of programmers but no management strength, the strength they do have is not allowed to play in the 
kids game.  Because of this they constantly create proprietary software for a public market.  They would like the customer to believe 
that their new Worldgroup 2.0 with the Netscape Plug-in is a Netscape product, in a round-about way.  This product is so proprietary 
that they don't recognize any programming standards, security standards, interface standards or even documentation standards.  Their 
own ISV market, which is slowly and intelligently dwindling, cannot even convert Worldgroup programs, I purposely avoid saying 
applications, to other platforms or interfaces (HTML, Mac, NT, UNIX, etc...).  This is why Galacticomm sells most of the source.  They 
know that it can't be delivered as an open platform.

The fact that they work as a plug-in for Netscape doesn't mean they use Netscapes standards.  In fact, they cannot because they 
would have to re-write everything.  All they do is execute a telnet routine through the connection that Netscape is using to make it 
appear that the application has been lauched from the Web.  Sneaky.

Customers should also be aware that the plug-in stuff only works with the latest version of WG, yet to be officially released because of 
bugs, and Netscape 2.0.  No other Web browser will work.  And, since the software does not support HTML as a front end it will not 
work on Macs, UNIX X-terminals, OS/2, etc.

3) The wiz kids have done so poorly at maintaining staff that they have completely lost all their UNIX and NT programmers.  They will 
tell you that they have NT programmers, but these guys are not what we would call NT programmers.  In fact, they have lost so many 
key programmers that they dropped their UNIX product line.  Yes, this means that it only works on the MS-DOS platform.  So all you 
Web developers that want to add some flavor for your Web site (NT or UNIX) must buy a DOS machine and network them together if 
you want to use the limited Worldgroup stuff.  

4) Galacticomm is telling customers that they will have an NT version of their software in 2nd quarter 96'.  This is doubtful (see item 3). 
However, they should make customers aware that when they have an NT version it is not really an NT product.  In fact, it will be a DOS 
application that runs on NT.  Yep, a DOS window that runs on an NT computer.  Think about that for a second.

5) Galacticomm is notorious for changing written policies, pricing and product lines without notifying customers or their own ISVs.  Just 
ask around or call some of the ISVs.  This can be a real issue when you are looking for consistency in your online solutions.

6) Galacticomm has no real technical support.  Yes they have a small technical support team, but they are mostly kids with no world 
experience.  They few good techs that they have had, QUIT.  I wonder why.  If you want a simple question about the software then you 
will probably get it.  However, if you are looking at complicated solutions involving Web, UNIX, Novell, networks, etc. then you probable 
will get a different answer each time you call.  Try it and see for yourself.

7) Galacticomm would like the world to believe they have a huge ISV market.  The last number they were giving out was over 150 ISVs. 
After some investigation I found out that this number is based on who bought source code, not on who has really written public 
applcations.  They really only have about 20 ISVs, if that, that really write applications for them.  Most of these ISVs are ex-employees 
or run adult BBS systems.  Their are a couple decent guys but they are hard to find since the sales team will pass you to the others 
first.  

If you choose to buy a Galacticomm product you should be aware of these things.  I, and some of my counterparts, found out the hard 
way.  Don't be fooled.  If you really want to do something with your Web site then they are better solutions.  If you want to do a small 
secure system for your company then maybe Galacticomm is the choice, but don't forget to look at Mustang.  Mustang has NT, they 
do talk HTML and have good management.  Just thought the buyers should be aware.  
Buyer Beware
#782
Author: Floyd Drennon
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:07
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In message <4jafbg$9ut$5@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> - Bill Heine
<104141.3314@CompuServe.COM>27 Mar 1996 04:14:40 GMT writes:

:>secure system for your company then maybe Galacticomm is the choice, but
don't forget to look at Mustang.  :>Mustang has NT, they 

As of last week, Mustang does NOT have NT shipping, nor could they tell me
when it would ship.  I had also heard there was a problem passing a hot port
to DOS doors.  When I asked about this, all they would say is that it would
be working before it shipped.

Floyd Drennon - fdrennon@pobox.com
OS/2 & Lan Server Certified Instructor
Comp-U-Comm - Computer & Communication Consultants
Re: Buyer Beware
#783
Author: William
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:46
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    BUYER BEWARE
    [lots of dirt deleted]

So what are you?  Disgruntled ex-employee now working for "Mustang" ?

Frankly, a customer should approch ALL vendors as if they were a
miss-managed collection of sociopathic teenaged programmers without any
business sense whatsoever, but should only poke so deep.  The complex
and often messy internal workings of a company should not be examined
too closely without holding all competitors to the same light.

For example, the number of people at cisco who "bailed out" of their
cisco stock options due to perceived "managment awfullness" and "general
going to hell" is pretty astounding (and included some of the founders.)
That was a couple of stock splits and several billion dollars ago...

BillW
cisco
Re: Buyer Beware
#784
Author: Matt Fox
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:34
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In article <BILLW.96Mar28004654@puli.cisco.com>, billw@puli.cisco.com says...
>
>
>    BUYER BEWARE
>    [lots of dirt deleted]
>
>So what are you?  Disgruntled ex-employee now working for "Mustang" ?
>

all mustang did was steal colossus source code and buy the company
6 years later and cover there tracks
Re: Buyer Beware
#785
Author: Roger Lee Heath
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:10
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Followup: to <4jdmej$1oe@nntp1.best.com> 
  author: by Rigor@clever.net (Matt Fox) 
composed: 28 Mar 1996 09:34:11 GMT it was stated:

>In article <BILLW.96Mar28004654@puli.cisco.com>, billw@puli.cisco.com says...
>>
>>
>>    BUYER BEWARE
>>    [lots of dirt deleted]
>>
>>So what are you?  Disgruntled ex-employee now working for "Mustang" ?
>>
>
>all mustang did was steal colossus source code and buy the company
>6 years later and cover there tracks
>

I have to respond to this, having been a sysop for over 15 years and
watching all this, Calling the first of almost every bbs software that's
ever been... 

The man to thank for all of these, including the beginning of Wildcat
and PowerBBS is Steven Fox of Albuquerque. He released both an 8bit and
16bit code in Pascal into the public domain known as ROS (Remote
Operating System) in the early 1980's. He still runs Albuquerque ROS
which has been rated one of the best bbs systems in the nation several
times.

I watched the very beginnings of Wildcat and Mustang and noticed that
nothing had changed much in their original compiles of ROS or another
version of this put forth by Les Archumbault called PICS (Pascal
Integrated Communication System), also released into the public domain..
The first Wildcats up in California were friends of mine who were old
Epson QX Valdocs users converting to new fancy 286 systems! The original
Wildcats were some of the buggiest systems I've called.

When we registered with PowerBBS, we got the code for it and compared it
to the PICS Pascal code and found it was the same. Russell didn't even
change the basic procedures names... He would apparently have you think
this occurred though some miracle of ESP... <g>

There is nothing wrong with starting with public domaine code at all. I
compiled 8bit version myself for the Epson QX and it is still run in a
few places. If you call them you'll think you are connected to an older
Power or Wildcat system.... I even had it doing screens in Epson HASCI
graphics characters on top of ANSI and ASCII... all in 1981....!

But give credit where credit is due. Steven Fox made the first public
domaine code which was the basis for many bbs software systems today.
You can call him and thank him. He's listed in the Bob's USBBS list...

Actually there was not really a major departure from these kind of
systems until Excalibur showed up on the screen. They were laughed at
when they proposed using Windows as a platform. Now they have inspired
many new beautiful GUI systems and everyone is some kind of GUI
expert... developing some new kind of GUI system.... No one's laughing
any more. But again give credit where credit is due. Excalibur is the
original pure Windows to the core bbs system, developed quite literally
from the ground up. PowerBBS instead still operates it's basic shell
with code that showed up in the early 1980's. It was never intended for
this purpose. 

--
bcnu

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