🚀 go-pugleaf

CAD drafting services are usually localized so the customer can meet with 
you personally to choke the hell out of you when they need to blame you for 
something that's almost always their fault. Its a lousy way to try to earn a 
living. Unless you are really, really, really a big kiss-ass you won't get 
much work (each local community has way too many kiss-asses that will 
undercut your fee for example and the customer will play you against one 
another) and even then if you get lucky you might -- maybe -- meet one 
really decent customer but almost always the pay is lousy and not enough to 
operate a profitable business that needs to reinvest earned revenue in new 
computers, upgrades, plotters, and software not to mention training and so 
on.

After 20 years of experience in this context I have learned three reasons 
why: fascism, fascism and fascism.

In the AEC markets for example the architects are fascist pigs that control 
who can and who can not work because they have a license from the fascist 
government. This is how fascism works. If it was really worth outsourcing 
drawing(s) an architect will never pay the same rate or anywhere near the 
same rate they charge their own customers so you will always be working at a 
disadvantage because they are fascist pigs who have the license and can 
control who can and who can not work.

Your better off using the unique skills in a special field you know a lot 
about and learning to write software for applications or databases which is 
about the only skill left the fascists have not been able to license yet and 
turn the fascist pigs into your customers rather than trying to become their 
service provider. The rewards for software development are still possible 
and will likely remain possible to make huge sums of money from your own 
hard work, talent and skills you develop. Just remember the Internet is one 
trend after another and each trend means new software applications need to 
be developed. Some people have been in the right place at the right time and 
have cashed out big time like the two guys who recently sold YouTube for 
$1.6 million. There are all kinds of success stories but none in 20 years I 
have ever heard of our observed for some dumb drafter trying to work for 
fascist pigs.

Wake up. Believe in yourself. Take your skills to the next level.

<%= Clinton Gallagher
         NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
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"JavaTek" <!JavaTek@usa.com> wrote in message 
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>I am investigating the possibility of working from home creating AutoCAD
> drawings. My experience is in the Electrical/Electronic field, but I also
> have created computer and network drawings. Does anyone know if this is
> feasible and would I be able to get work over the net? Additionally, my
> experience includes database modeling but that work experience is with a
> different software package other that AutoCAD.  Please relate your
> experiences and suggestions to me.
>
>
>
> JavaTek Electronics
>
> !Javatek@usa.com
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> hard work, talent and skills you develop. Just remember the Internet is 
> one trend after another and each trend means new software applications 
> need to be developed. Some people have been in the right place at the 
> right time and have cashed out big time like the two guys who recently 
> sold YouTube for $1.6 million. There are all kinds of success stories but 
> none in 20 years I have ever heard of our observed for some dumb drafter 
> trying to work for fascist pigs.
>

wasn't that 1.6 BILLION?

See what I mean? Read the responses that try to pass for rebuttals to my 
comments. What is present in their responses?

Two fundamentals:

The guy from NZ was is doing work "locally" and the other suck @sses who 
responded can't legitimately challenge the fact that America has become a 
fascist nation to control who can and who can not work so they attack the 
messenger. That is the easiest way to identify suck @sses and domestic 
enemies. They are the one that lie, cheat, and steal for the corrupt 
employers and licensed fascists who generally only hire those types of low 
lifes.

When I worked as a software and hardware reseller I had a line of business 
selling to architects, contractors and builders in the early 90s. Most of 
them are low life. I had a few really decent customers and we had a good 
time working together but the few that were and are god customres in these 
types of markets are too few and insufficient to keep a business going. The 
others would pull sh!t like ordering 10 units, pay for one and then copy the 
rest and tell me reseller in so many words if I did not support the pirated 
software they would not pay me and would never hire me again. That's how it 
was in the late 80s through the mid 90s.

Lately you'll notice there are hardly any resellers around that sell into 
the drafting and CAD business. Why is that? Is it like the slime that 
responded to my comments claim? Because of me and my so-called bad attitude? 
How can I be everywhere this phenomena has occurred? Hardy Har Har. No, its 
because I am telling the truth and describing the facts about this type of 
business. Its been taken over by fascists who use licensing to control who 
can and who can not work and the rest of the work that may be found is not 
profitable. Crumbs. So like I contend, contract drafting is not a viable 
business as there is very little profit if any all.

Finally, ask yourself why its rare if not impossible to find a drafting 
business with employees. Its because the fascists have controlled all the 
markets with their corrupt licensing and theres no profits in any untouched 
markets sufficient to hire and pay the costs of doing business. Drafting 
services are a losing proposition and not a profit center for small business 
in America.

Nuff' said...

<%= Clinton Gallagher
         NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
         URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
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"JavaTek" <!JavaTek@usa.com> wrote in message 
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>I am investigating the possibility of working from home creating AutoCAD
> drawings. My experience is in the Electrical/Electronic field, but I also
> have created computer and network drawings. Does anyone know if this is
> feasible and would I be able to get work over the net? Additionally, my
> experience includes database modeling but that work experience is with a
> different software package other that AutoCAD.  Please relate your
> experiences and suggestions to me.
>
>
>
> JavaTek Electronics
>
> !Javatek@usa.com
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>
> remove the ! to reply
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> 

"clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message 
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> See what I mean? Read the responses that try to pass for rebuttals to my 
> comments. What is present in their responses?
>
> Two fundamentals:
>
> The guy from NZ was is doing work "locally" and the other suck @sses who 
> responded can't legitimately challenge the fact that America has become a 
> fascist nation to control who can and who can not work so they attack the 
> messenger. That is the easiest way to identify suck @sses and domestic 
> enemies. They are the one that lie, cheat, and steal for the corrupt 
> employers and licensed fascists who generally only hire those types of low 
> lifes.

"HAS BECOME" ????  it's always been that way. looks like you have finally 
woke up.

"
> Finally, ask yourself why its rare if not impossible to find a drafting 
> business with employees. Its because the fascists have controlled all the 
> markets with their corrupt licensing and theres no profits in any 
> untouched markets sufficient to hire and pay the costs of doing business. 
> Drafting services are a losing proposition and not a profit center for 
> small business in America.


this is like every other type of industry where technology has decreased 
jobs.

Okay, okay let's get picky ;-)

I had a friend now deceased. He was an architect's architect from the old 
school. One of those guys so old he farted dust. He used to tell me stories 
about the way it used to be when architects had to do it all. Apparently the 
architects followed the lawyers who established fascism in the 1920s shortly 
after the traitors in Congress gave control of our former nation's monetary 
system to the jews.

I've been trying to research "The History of Licensing in America" but I'm 
not that skilled in that type of research yet as it requires many trips to 
various libraries in Washington D.C. and little if anything has made its way 
onto the web which is a contemporary resource and does not yet have some of 
the older books and papers scanned yet and may never will with regard to 
some specific texts and papers. Anything credible you have to offer in this 
type of further study?

Finally, for those who really want to persue the truth it is a good idea to 
start with the well known producer Aaron Russo's film "From Freedom to 
Fascism" which can be seen here [1].

<%= Clinton

[1] 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=freedom+to+fascism




"longshot" <longshot@aol.com> wrote in message 
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>
> "clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message 
> news:459d25b8$0$27071$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> See what I mean? Read the responses that try to pass for rebuttals to my 
>> comments. What is present in their responses?
>>
>> Two fundamentals:
>>
>> The guy from NZ was is doing work "locally" and the other suck @sses who 
>> responded can't legitimately challenge the fact that America has become a 
>> fascist nation to control who can and who can not work so they attack the 
>> messenger. That is the easiest way to identify suck @sses and domestic 
>> enemies. They are the one that lie, cheat, and steal for the corrupt 
>> employers and licensed fascists who generally only hire those types of 
>> low lifes.
>
> "HAS BECOME" ????  it's always been that way. looks like you have finally 
> woke up.
>
> 

Hello!
Clinton made some valid points about the business being difficult to
make a profit. I'll try to share my thoughts on your idea in a less
abrasive manner. . .I am the owner of a drafting service, CAD Wizards.
I started the business in 2004 and have little to no time to promote
the business. . .and little to no money to advertise.
Finding work is not as difficult as finding steady work, which has been
my problem. I feel that much of the American work force has become
tainted by those that have a lack of pride for the type of work they
perform and those that undercut legitimate hard working, honest, and
keep deserving companies from getting work.
I am young, but old fashioned in the sense that I would rather produce
a quality set of drawings with little to no rework required. My
services are more costly, but I feel they are worth it so I have not
given up on this business yet.
It has allowed me to explore other options as well. . .my most recent
project involved the engineering of a retaining wall for a residential
building. I was able to help the home owner by sub-contracting an
engineer to do the work for them. They were not able to get a response
from any local engineers, so I charged a small "finders fee" and didn't
do any of the work on the project. Everything worked out very well!
I think if you want to run a drafting service, try it. See how you like
it. It isn't going to be easy to start a legitimite business, but it is
possible.
Also, I would definitely consider hiring someone to help me complete my
CAD contracts if I was in need of electronics/electrical drawings. It
isn't something I'm completely familiar with or a main service that I
offer, so I would have to consult an external source. I'd be willing to
work with you to help both of us get more business if you're
interested. 

Sincerely,
Joseph Podwats
CAD Wizards
www.CADwizards.com

For what it's worth, JT -

I recently was working with a 'pre-cast' stone outfit in Las Vegas, NV.  One 
of the key decision makers in the company told me that he was having trouble 
finding people who wanted to draft architectural stuff anymore.

I'm currently in school, so I'm not working as a draftsman yet.  Though 
AutoDesk owns like 90% of the market share because of AutoCAD, my teachers 
are all raving about Revit.  3D seems to be a MUST for any future work.

Good luck to you.  I've thought about freelancing, too, but have too many 
responsibilities to be able to justify the risk.  I hope you do well.

Tim
"JavaTek" <!JavaTek@usa.com> wrote in message 
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>I am investigating the possibility of working from home creating AutoCAD
> drawings. My experience is in the Electrical/Electronic field, but I also
> have created computer and network drawings. Does anyone know if this is
> feasible and would I be able to get work over the net? Additionally, my
> experience includes database modeling but that work experience is with a
> different software package other that AutoCAD.  Please relate your
> experiences and suggestions to me.
>
>
>
> JavaTek Electronics
>
> !Javatek@usa.com
>
>
>
> remove the ! to reply
>
> 

Dude. I get tons of resumes from 3d hot shots who've got a portfolio full of 
slick images they don't know how to build. As for Revit, beware of the hype. 
It's is where Adesk is hoping to make it's profits in the future.
-- 


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca

"Tim Glass" <tim.glass@cox.net> wrote in message 
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> For what it's worth, JT -
>
> I recently was working with a 'pre-cast' stone outfit in Las Vegas, NV. 
> One of the key decision makers in the company told me that he was having 
> trouble finding people who wanted to draft architectural stuff anymore.
>
> I'm currently in school, so I'm not working as a draftsman yet.  Though 
> AutoDesk owns like 90% of the market share because of AutoCAD, my teachers 
> are all raving about Revit.  3D seems to be a MUST for any future work.
>
> Good luck to you.  I've thought about freelancing, too, but have too many 
> responsibilities to be able to justify the risk.  I hope you do well.
>
> Tim
> "JavaTek" <!JavaTek@usa.com> wrote in message 
> news:SJbmh.13866$U12.4033@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>I am investigating the possibility of working from home creating AutoCAD
>> drawings. My experience is in the Electrical/Electronic field, but I also
>> have created computer and network drawings. Does anyone know if this is
>> feasible and would I be able to get work over the net? Additionally, my
>> experience includes database modeling but that work experience is with a
>> different software package other that AutoCAD.  Please relate your
>> experiences and suggestions to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> JavaTek Electronics
>>
>> !Javatek@usa.com
>>
>>
>>
>> remove the ! to reply
>>
>>
>
> 

I am an "Architectural Draftsman and Designer" with over 40 years experience 
providing architectural drafting services for myself, the privet sector and 
other professionals such as builders and architects. I now use AutoCad in 
place of a drawing board.
I can assist you with all of drafting needs for new  construction, 
as-builds, renovations, restorations and even turn your sheet drawings to 
cad format, for commercial or residentional construction.

You will find my fees very reasonable and competitive and all of my work is 
completed by me only, I do not outsource to anyone. I have a good honest 
track record for quality work with a quick turnaround and a good reputation 
on and off the internet.

Mostly, I "do not" require a down payment and I provide a full written 
proposal listing all of the work that I will provide along with my fee, all 
for your approval, prior to starting any project.

Thank You


-- 
Anthony  Ippolito
Providing Architectural Drafting & Design
For Over 40 Years
ippolitoa@bellsouth.net




"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message 
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> Dude. I get tons of resumes from 3d hot shots who've got a portfolio full 
> of slick images they don't know how to build. As for Revit, beware of the 
> hype. It's is where Adesk is hoping to make it's profits in the future.
> -- 
>
>
> MichaelB
> www.michaelbulatovich.ca
>
> "Tim Glass" <tim.glass@cox.net> wrote in message 
> news:anxsh.1261$jb3.1192@newsfe18.lga...
>> For what it's worth, JT -
>>
>> I recently was working with a 'pre-cast' stone outfit in Las Vegas, NV. 
>> One of the key decision makers in the company told me that he was having 
>> trouble finding people who wanted to draft architectural stuff anymore.
>>
>> I'm currently in school, so I'm not working as a draftsman yet.  Though 
>> AutoDesk owns like 90% of the market share because of AutoCAD, my 
>> teachers are all raving about Revit.  3D seems to be a MUST for any 
>> future work.
>>
>> Good luck to you.  I've thought about freelancing, too, but have too many 
>> responsibilities to be able to justify the risk.  I hope you do well.
>>
>> Tim
>> "JavaTek" <!JavaTek@usa.com> wrote in message 
>> news:SJbmh.13866$U12.4033@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>>I am investigating the possibility of working from home creating AutoCAD
>>> drawings. My experience is in the Electrical/Electronic field, but I 
>>> also
>>> have created computer and network drawings. Does anyone know if this is
>>> feasible and would I be able to get work over the net? Additionally, my
>>> experience includes database modeling but that work experience is with a
>>> different software package other that AutoCAD.  Please relate your
>>> experiences and suggestions to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> JavaTek Electronics
>>>
>>> !Javatek@usa.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> remove the ! to reply
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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