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In article <92mujm$8ic$1@whiskey.enposte.net>, sl@whiskey.fireplug.net (Stuart 
Lynne) writes...
> In article <B6724434.2F3C3%no-spam@RadioMonopoly.com>,
> John Higdon  <no-spam@RadioMonopoly.com> wrote:
> >in article slrn94pv33.dj.plew@crane.li-po.edu, Paul Lew  wrote:
> >
> >> ORBS is still part of the conspiracy.  The driver of a getaway car did not
> >> rob the bank, he just drove the car.  The "lookout" did not burgle a place,
> >> he was just was watching if anyone was around.  A person checks to see
> >> which house is most likely to be worth while robbing and supplies the list
> >> to another person to use; in this case, I guess that the list supplier is
> >> not as guilty as he didn't do the burglary since someone else did.
> >> 
> >> What is so technical about that??
> >
> >There is an unfathomable gulf between conspiracy to commit a crime and
> >people running email servers choosing from the many methods various to
> >manage their resources.
> 
> Depending on your point of view it is not ISP's that use ORBS or RBL lists
> of these sorts that are breaking the law or at the very least the rules of
> good behaviour; but any ISP that runs servers with open relays that allow
> spam to easily propagate.
> 
> ORBS is not a list of places to burgle. It is a list of potential burglars.
> 
> ORBS are simply a way for me to tell my mail server which mail servers *I*
> don't want to receive mail from because of the high incidence of spam that
> comes from it. 
> 
> If your ISP gets on the list then you should certainly take that up with
> your ISP. The rest of us got hoarse trying to tell them many years ago. We
> found that the direct customers of ISP's tend to have more influence. And
> it is certainly not difficult for an ISP to get off the list.
> 
> ORBS and similiar services have been around for at least five years and are
> the direct result of the increase of spam over the previous five years to 
> that. When you come up with a better solution be sure to let us all know
> about it.


It's been done many times.  Problem is, ORBS supporters either
don't listen or come up with endless rationalizations.  Which is
why even the hardcore debaters are loath to keep re-hashing the
same old dirty dishwater over, and over, and over again.

To the people who have newly discovered ORBS and are getting the
"you dumb idiot" treatment from its supporters: rest assured you
are not the only people around here who are opposed to many
elements of it. (See .sig)


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