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Mike Stump wrote:
> 
> In article <3A53D488.881EB678@dvv.org>, Dima Volodin  <dvv@dvv.org> wrote:
> >Mike Stump wrote:
> >> And we have yet to see the proof that it isn't nearly identical to the
> >> MAPS RSS list.  Someone gets spam, submits the complaint, and if it
> >> relays, on the list it goes.  QED.  Thanks for playing.
> >
> >Bzzzt, wrong answer. Nobody can claim that there were any spam from
> >my host that ended up listed by ORBS, yet it's there. No spam, no
> >complaints, ORBS entry. QED.
> 
> Congradulations, what you have done, is shown a single example of when
> it didn't work the way I described.

So it doesn't work the way you described. QED.

> I might say, getting a dialup ISP works like this, you pick one, call
> them up, give them your credit card info, and then you get the local
> dialup number, and dial and away you go.

Huh? Why would I want to give these people my credit card number?

> You cannot come back with a claim like, well I don't have a phone and
> so I couldn't call them up, so you must be wrong.  To challenge my
> view, you will have to survey a number of people that have dialup, ask
> them if it worked as I described, and do the math.

I don't need to do any surveys to see that ORBS is all too eager to
throw the baby away and wack it over the head to be sure it's dead -
I've seen it happen already.

> To counter your data sample of one, let me point out 18,768 data
> samples from rss from Jun 5th, 2000 that were also in ORBS.  I am led
> to believe that all of these in fact were directly associated with
> spam.  Can you provide any data to counter this data?

How about - out of 65536 addresses of that RR block I was writing about
only 598 allow connections to port 25 from the outside, and none of
these addresses is either on RBL or RSS.

> Thanks for playing.

You are very welcome.


Dima