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Re: @Home Blacklisted by ORBS on 9 of 10 New Email Servers

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From: Mike Stump
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 05:20
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In article <3A53D488.881EB678@dvv.org>, Dima Volodin  <dvv@dvv.org> wrote:
>Mike Stump wrote:
>> And we have yet to see the proof that it isn't nearly identical to the
>> MAPS RSS list.  Someone gets spam, submits the complaint, and if it
>> relays, on the list it goes.  QED.  Thanks for playing.
>
>Bzzzt, wrong answer. Nobody can claim that there were any spam from
>my host that ended up listed by ORBS, yet it's there. No spam, no
>complaints, ORBS entry. QED.

Congradulations, what you have done, is shown a single example of when
it didn't work the way I described.

I might say, getting a dialup ISP works like this, you pick one, call
them up, give them your credit card info, and then you get the local
dialup number, and dial and away you go.

You cannot come back with a claim like, well I don't have a phone and
so I couldn't call them up, so you must be wrong.  To challenge my
view, you will have to survey a number of people that have dialup, ask
them if it worked as I described, and do the math.

To counter your data sample of one, let me point out 18,768 data
samples from rss from Jun 5th, 2000 that were also in ORBS.  I am led
to believe that all of these in fact were directly associated with
spam.  Can you provide any data to counter this data?

Thanks for playing.
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Message-ID: <G6MHIo.8xM@kithrup.com>
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References: <3A4997AD.B58ACAD5@spamcop.net> <3A53565F.ED1CD856@dvv.org> <G6Lwop.2op@kithrup.com> <3A53D488.881EB678@dvv.org>

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From: mrs@kithrup.com (Mike Stump)
Subject: Re: @Home Blacklisted by ORBS on 9 of 10 New Email Servers
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
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References: <3A4997AD.B58ACAD5@spamcop.net> <3A53565F.ED1CD856@dvv.org> <G6Lwop.2op@kithrup.com> <3A53D488.881EB678@dvv.org>
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