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In <G6MHIo.8xM@kithrup.com>, mrs@kithrup.com (Mike Stump) wrote:

>In article <3A53D488.881EB678@dvv.org>, Dima Volodin  <dvv@dvv.org> wrote:
>>Mike Stump wrote:
>>> And we have yet to see the proof that it isn't nearly identical to the
>>> MAPS RSS list.  Someone gets spam, submits the complaint, and if it
>>> relays, on the list it goes.  QED.  Thanks for playing.
>>
>>Bzzzt, wrong answer. Nobody can claim that there were any spam from
>>my host that ended up listed by ORBS, yet it's there. No spam, no
>>complaints, ORBS entry. QED.
>
>Congradulations, what you have done, is shown a single example of when
>it didn't work the way I described.
>
>I might say, getting a dialup ISP works like this, you pick one, call
>them up, give them your credit card info, and then you get the local
>dialup number, and dial and away you go.
>
>You cannot come back with a claim like, well I don't have a phone and
>so I couldn't call them up, so you must be wrong.  To challenge my
>view, you will have to survey a number of people that have dialup, ask
>them if it worked as I described, and do the math.
>
>To counter your data sample of one, let me point out 18,768 data
>samples from rss from Jun 5th, 2000 that were also in ORBS.  I am led
>to believe that all of these in fact were directly associated with
>spam.  Can you provide any data to counter this data?
>
>Thanks for playing.

Except that we previously demonstrated that the vast majority of ORBS
hosts have never been shown to be sources of actual spam.  ( Oops. ;)

-- 
Best regards,
John Navas     <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
ORBS   n.  Internet vigilantes that try to coerce ISP's into complying
with the ORBS agenda by intentionally punishing innocent victims.
Over 90% of ORBS-listed hosts haven't been shown to be sources of spam.