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Article #175Re: @Home Blacklisted by ORBS on 9 of 10 New Email Servers
From: Derek Balling
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:21
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:21
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 9:43:07 -0800, Paul Lew wrote (in message <slrn94pj6v.gk.plew@crane.li-po.edu>): > ORBS supplies the "guns and ammo". I have "lost" email as the receiver > never got them and they are with different ISPs. ORBS just supply the > list and tells others to act. Does this mean I get to sue Chevrolet because they supply the high-performance Corvettes and just tell others to drive fast? > ORBS would need to provide me absolute proof that they didn't destroy > my email before I would believe their claims of "only supplying a list". This is a simple matter of common knowledge. Only parties to the mail can actually "destroy" it, those parties being: 1.) You 2.) Your ISP (transporting it to #4) 3.) Backbone ISP's 4.) Recipient ISP 5.) Recipient As a matter of practice, #3 is completely agnostic and doesn't touch anything. #1 is the sender and has a vested interest in NOT destroying it. #2 likewise is not going to destroy its own mail, and presumably #5 wants to actually receive it. That leaves #4, the Recipient ISP. The recipient ISP consults a list, provided by ORBS and says "Hey, is #2 on this list?" and if they ARE, then #4 decides, based on their own policies, how to handle the message -- bounce it, drop it, accept it with added headers, accept it and drop it in a special "spambox" for the user to sift over, whatever their policy is, but in the end, ORBS itself is completely incapable of "destroying" your e-mail.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fa874,20ce3a920b14a2e4 X-Google-Attributes: gidfa874,public X-Google-Thread: 113850,20ce3a920b14a2e4 X-Google-Attributes: gid113850,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2000-12-29 17:21:41 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Derek Balling <dredd@megacity.org> Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems.cable,ba.internet Subject: Re: @Home Blacklisted by ORBS on 9 of 10 New Email Servers Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:21:40 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <01HW.B67278A40007A3A8081E18F0@news.megacity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Hogwasher/2.5 (Macintosh) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3A4997AD.B58ACAD5@spamcop.net> <K0s26.6731$Sl.349652@iad-read.news.verio.net> <G697qz.Irs@kithrup.com> <slrn94le7k.rp.plew@crane.li-po.edu> <G6B3qv.7zq@kithrup.com> <slrn94o0h6.ct.plew@crane.li-po.edu> <vohr92ryhh3.fsf@yuban-c.math.berkeley.edu> <slrn94pj6v.gk.plew@crane.li-po.edu> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 36