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IOS exploit: please disclose vehicle, not mechanism

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From: Bill Johnston
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:23
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I've read the alerts from Cisco, SANS, and CERT
regarding the latest IOS flaw, which identify 
only the potential for denial of service attacks
to be directed at certain well-known TCP ports.

A SAN "Flash" publication noted that an exploit
had been observed "in the wild".  Unfortunately,
it neglected to describe the vehicle for this 
exploit in even a basic way that could help 
Cisco admins plan a rational IOS migration 
strategy.  

This could be done without disclosing any sensitive 
and potentially re-exploitable information about 
the flaw(s) in IOS, how those flaw(s) were 
originally compromised, or indeed what were the 
precise technical consequences.  Such sensitive  
information would indeed be more likely to help 
a malicious cracker more than an end-user Cisco 
admin.  (Even though we all crave knowledge of 
the nitty-gritty and hate to admit that we don't
always "need to know".)

At this time, and due to the potential severity 
and ubiquity of this incident, no harm could 
come from telling the public certain information
about the vehicle(s) for any "in-the-wild" exploits
that are observed.  For example, if merely knowing 
that we are facing an virus, worm, or trojan horse 
that runs on platform XYZ can be helpful in planning
and prioritizing a response.   

Certainly, the existence of one exploit means 
that others could come, and no Cisco admin worth 
a damn would take a preliminary announcement
and base an entire strategy upon that first piece 
of data to the exclusion of all others.

But if I knew RIGHT NOW that the exploit was 
being delivered in "Dancing Baby"-like Wintoys 
that are getting schlepped around the net on 
various instant message systems, that means 
I can't be content with just upgrading my 
Internet gateway router to avoid external 
DDoS attacks.

It would mean that eventually the Windows 
machines inside my private LAN will also be
attacking my internal routers - the 6509 
that handles my VLANs, and all the dinky 
routers that talk to my EDI partners and 
my regional offices, etc.  These routers 
MUST listen on some the ports that this 
particular Cisco exploit utilizes, etc.  

And in the case of the EDI partners and perhaps 
the frame network to my regional offices as well,
perhaps we don't even control those boxes, so I 
need to know NOW if I should start shouting at 
the service providers so they'll install upgrades.

Or, if the "wild exploit" is instead something
akin the old SAdmin/IIS aka CodeRed attack,
in which compromised Sun boxes fired attacks 
solely at public IP addresses, before doing 
the rest of their dirty work, well, then, we 
can may be able to plan our Cisco update strategy
by installing the recommended IOS revisions 
on our Internet facing Cisco gear first, and 
then await further info from Cisco/SANS/CERT,
et al, before embarking on the laborious and 
risky process of testing and migrating other 
Cisco gear with layer 3 functionality.

Loose lips sink ships ... sometimes.  In other
cases, unwarranted secrecy only serves to give
the enemy more time to develop variations on 
attack scenarios, while leaving our troops 
unable to organize and prepare basic defenses.

"Go upgrade EVERYTHING", just isn't an adequate
set of marching orders.  Even if that is the 
ultimate goal, one must have some information 
if one is to plan, prioritize, and execute a 
rational response.

- Bill
-- 
Bill Johnston
Johnston Network Consulting Services
14758 Chisholm Landing Way
Gaithersburg, MD  20878
301-717-8894
wdj-netconsult@consultant.com
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Subject: IOS exploit: please disclose vehicle, not mechanism
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