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Article #2245Re: IOS exploit: please disclose vehicle, not mechanism
From: asrap
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 03:03
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 03:03
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It is as per the info in the CERT alert. If you send a number of packets say 70-100, with the IP protocol set to anyone of (53 55 77 103) and TTL=1 (when the packet reaches the target) then the router/switch/AP in question running the vulnerable IOS will process any further traffic from that interface. There are a number of way you can test this our in your lab, some of these tools are hping, nemesis, etc. Bill Johnston <wdj-netconsult@consultant.com> wrote in message news:<Xns93C1BACF3C55Awdjohnstoncomcastnet@206.127.4.25>... > [posted and mailed] > > I've read the alerts from Cisco, SANS, and CERT > regarding the latest IOS flaw, which identify > only the potential for denial of service attacks > to be directed at certain well-known TCP ports. > > A SAN "Flash" publication noted that an exploit > had been observed "in the wild". Unfortunately, > it neglected to describe the vehicle for this > exploit in even a basic way that could help > Cisco admins plan a rational IOS migration > strategy. > > This could be done without disclosing any sensitive > and potentially re-exploitable information about > the flaw(s) in IOS, how those flaw(s) were > originally compromised, or indeed what were the > precise technical consequences. Such sensitive > information would indeed be more likely to help > a malicious cracker more than an end-user Cisco > admin. (Even though we all crave knowledge of > the nitty-gritty and hate to admit that we don't > always "need to know".) > > At this time, and due to the potential severity > and ubiquity of this incident, no harm could > come from telling the public certain information > about the vehicle(s) for any "in-the-wild" exploits > that are observed. For example, if merely knowing > that we are facing an virus, worm, or trojan horse > that runs on platform XYZ can be helpful in planning > and prioritizing a response. > > Certainly, the existence of one exploit means > that others could come, and no Cisco admin worth > a damn would take a preliminary announcement > and base an entire strategy upon that first piece > of data to the exclusion of all others. > > But if I knew RIGHT NOW that the exploit was > being delivered in "Dancing Baby"-like Wintoys > that are getting schlepped around the net on > various instant message systems, that means > I can't be content with just upgrading my > Internet gateway router to avoid external > DDoS attacks. > > It would mean that eventually the Windows > machines inside my private LAN will also be > attacking my internal routers - the 6509 > that handles my VLANs, and all the dinky > routers that talk to my EDI partners and > my regional offices, etc. These routers > MUST listen on some the ports that this > particular Cisco exploit utilizes, etc. > > And in the case of the EDI partners and perhaps > the frame network to my regional offices as well, > perhaps we don't even control those boxes, so I > need to know NOW if I should start shouting at > the service providers so they'll install upgrades. > > Or, if the "wild exploit" is instead something > akin the old SAdmin/IIS aka CodeRed attack, > in which compromised Sun boxes fired attacks > solely at public IP addresses, before doing > the rest of their dirty work, well, then, we > can may be able to plan our Cisco update strategy > by installing the recommended IOS revisions > on our Internet facing Cisco gear first, and > then await further info from Cisco/SANS/CERT, > et al, before embarking on the laborious and > risky process of testing and migrating other > Cisco gear with layer 3 functionality. > > Loose lips sink ships ... sometimes. In other > cases, unwarranted secrecy only serves to give > the enemy more time to develop variations on > attack scenarios, while leaving our troops > unable to organize and prepare basic defenses. > > "Go upgrade EVERYTHING", just isn't an adequate > set of marching orders. Even if that is the > ultimate goal, one must have some information > if one is to plan, prioritize, and execute a > rational response. > > - Bill
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