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From: Steve Eddins
Date: Fri, 24 May 1991 15:04
Date: Fri, 24 May 1991 15:04
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wilf@sce.carleton.ca (Wilf Leblanc) writes:
>jefft@phred.UUCP (Jeff Taylor) writes:
>> [mock conversation about zeros of linear phase filter]
>> "WHERE ARE THE ZEROS?
>> "On the unit circle."
>"... but the zeros are on the unit circle" ??????
> [counterexample deleted]
>The zeros are not on the unit circle.
To clarify: an FIR filter with coefficient symmetry (and therefore
linear phase) may only have zeros with the following forms, if the
coefficients are also assumed to be real:
1. zero at 1
2. zero at -1
3. zeros at e^{j\omega} and e^{-j\omega} (conjugate pair on the unit
circle)
4. zeros at \alpha e^{j\omega}, \alpha e^{-j\omega},
\alpha^{-1} e^{j\omega}, and \alpha^{-1} e^{-j\omega}
(conjugate reciprocal quad)
5. zeros at \alpha and \alpha^{-1}
These forms may be derived from the following considerations:
a) To get real coefficients, any complex roots must occur in conjugate
pairs.
b) The Z transform in this case is a symmetric polynomial in z^{-1}.
It can be shown that if z_0 is a root of a symmetric polynomial, then
so is 1/z_0.
So zeros of an FIR filter *can* appear on the unit circle, but not
always.
--
Steve Eddins
eddins@brazil.eecs.uic.edu (312) 996-5771 FAX: (312) 413-0024
University of Illinois at Chicago, EECS Dept., M/C 154, 1120 SEO Bldg,
Box 4348, Chicago, IL 60680
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