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From: Steve Eddins
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1991 19:58
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1991 19:58
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truman@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Tom Truman) writes:
>With all of the commotion caused by a simple question regarding 180 deg.
>phase shift, I can't resist posting this one:
>" Suppose that a certain telephone channel can be characterized by
>a frequency response H(f) = exp(j * P(f)), where P(-f) = -P(f).
>Because P(f) may be a complicated function of frequency, such a
>channel may have serious distortions. It has been suggested (rather
>impractically) that the signal on the recieving end be recorded on
>tape, flown by fast jet back to the transmitting end, played backwards
>through the original channel a second time, and recorded again on
>tape.
>The signal on this second tape, if played backwards, should (it is claimed)
>be the original signal, independent of P(f).
>Would this work ?"
OK, I'll bite. The system looks like:
------> H(f) ------> (-t) ------> H(f) ------> (-t) ------>
X(f) A(f) B(f) C(f) Y(f)
where (-t) indicates time reversal. That is, b(t) = a(-t). From
Fourier transform properties, B(f) = A(-f). Tracing through the
system:
A(f) = X(f) H(f)
B(f) = X(-f) H(-f)
C(f) = X(-f) H(-f) H(f)
Y(f) = X(f) H(f) H(-f)
= X(f) e^{jP(f)} e^{jP(-f)}
= X(f) e^{jP(f)} e^{-jP(f)}
= X(f)
So it does work. In fact, this time reversal trick gets used a lot to
get linear phase in systems using IIR filters. Discrete-time systems,
that is, with finite-length signals, so time-reversal is easy.
An important factor is that the telephone channel introduces only
phase distortion, not frequency distortion. That is, |H(f)| = 1.
If |H(f)| \neq 1, then the input-output relationship of the above
system is:
Y(f) = X(f) |H(f)|^2 (assuming h(t) is real)
This system has no phase distortion, but the frequency distortion is
channel-dependent.
Well, given what's happened recently in this group, I've tried to be
careful here, but if there's a flaw, fire away!
--
Steve Eddins
eddins@brazil.eecs.uic.edu (312) 996-5771 FAX: (312) 413-0024
University of Illinois at Chicago, EECS Dept., M/C 154, 1120 SEO Bldg,
Box 4348, Chicago, IL 60680
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