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In article <Bvt76B.CMt@ufrima.imag.fr> mathevet@boole (MATHEVET Jerome) writes:
>I'm willing to purchase the falcon030 as soon as it is released .

I think there is a major unanswered question about the 030 (for me anyway).
That is, can the DSP56001 access main memory directly? Otherwise it's
limited to 32K of it's own memory, which is not enough for some applications
(apparantly it can get stuff from the main memory via DMA and a processor
direct slot from the main processor, whatever that is).

So far everyone has told me that it CAN'T access main memory directly, except
for Atari UK which specifically told me over the phone that it can. Other
people have then suggested to me that Atari may be being economical with the
truth.

Does anyone know for sure?

Thanks in anticipation,

Ross-c

In article <Bvt76B.CMt@ufrima.imag.fr> mathevet@boole (MATHEVET Jerome) writes:
>I'm willing to purchase the falcon030 as soon as it is released .
>The 030 version is to have the DSP 56001 and the 040 the 96002 (the 
>latest DSP from Motorola). Unfortunately, noone has ever edited anything
>about them (In france). If anyone has the motorola's programmer handbook
>in a file (the complete specs, if available), it would be nice to mail
>them to me (I mean, E-mail of course).
>

Sorry for asking a dumb question, but what is a falcon030 and 040?

Jeff Lo
loj@cae.wisc.edu

loj@cae.wisc.edu (Lo Jeffrey) writes:

>In article <Bvt76B.CMt@ufrima.imag.fr> mathevet@boole (MATHEVET Jerome) writes:
>>I'm willing to purchase the falcon030 as soon as it is released .
>>The 030 version is to have the DSP 56001 and the 040 the 96002 (the 
>>latest DSP from Motorola). Unfortunately, noone has ever edited anything
>>about them (In france). If anyone has the motorola's programmer handbook
>>in a file (the complete specs, if available), it would be nice to mail
>>them to me (I mean, E-mail of course).
>>

>Sorry for asking a dumb question, but what is a falcon030 and 040?

>Jeff Lo
>loj@cae.wisc.edu

The falcon030 and 040 are Atari's new personal multimedia computers.
The 030 contains a 68030 processor, optional floating point processor,
between 1 and 14 meg ram, scsi2 hd-interface, high-res "true-color"
(up to 16 bitplanes) graphics and 8 channel 16 bit audio with a sampling-
frequency up to 50 kilohertz.
It also contains a digital signal processor chip, the dsp56001. 
The operating system is multitos which is preemptive multitasking.
I know nothing about the 040 so I wont say anything about it!
Read more about the 030 in comp.sys.atari.st.
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ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement) writes:

>>I'm willing to purchase the falcon030 as soon as it is released .
>I think there is a major unanswered question about the 030 (for me anyway).
>That is, can the DSP56001 access main memory directly? Otherwise it's

The DSP have access to 2 DMA channels. Both supports 1 MByte/sec transfer rate.
One is to main memory and one is from main memory.

Data from the AD and to the DA converters don't have to go through DSP, but
can access the memory directly, leaving the DSP alone.


>Ross-c

In article <Bvt76B.CMt@ufrima.imag.fr>, mathevet@boole (MATHEVET Jerome) writes:
> I'm willing to purchase the falcon030 as soon as it is released .
> The 030 version is to have the DSP 56001 and the 040 the 96002 (the 
> latest DSP from Motorola). Unfortunately, noone has ever edited anything
> about them (In france). If anyone has the motorola's programmer handbook
> in a file (the complete specs, if available), it would be nice to mail
> them to me (I mean, E-mail of course).
> 
> 	Thanx in advance
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Please add me to the mailing list for the 96002!

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loj@cae.wisc.edu (Lo Jeffrey) writes:

>Sorry for asking a dumb question, but what is a falcon030 and 040?

The falcon030 is the new low-cost machine from Atari Corp. - it has a
16MHz 68030 and a 32MHz 56001 (with 32K of 24bit words), excellent (16bit)
sound, and graphics (VGA + 65000 colour True-Colour), all BUILT-IN.

Probably a cheaper platform for DSP development than any card for IBM's or
Apple Macs - the falcon030 is priced at $800 for the bare machine (no
harddrive, no monitor, only 1 megabyte - add any SCSI drive, or 2.5" IDE drive,
and any VGA/SVGA monitor).

It looks like DSP is finally coming to home computers (NeXT already have
them, but they're STILL out of my price range).  I hear the latest Amiga
also has DSP.  Now we might start seeing home applications - who'd bother
in the past when machines did not come standard with DSP.

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In article <10607@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>loj@cae.wisc.edu (Lo Jeffrey) writes:
>
>>Sorry for asking a dumb question, but what is a falcon030 and 040?
>
>The falcon030 is the new low-cost machine from Atari Corp. - it has a
>16MHz 68030 and a 32MHz 56001 (with 32K of 24bit words), excellent (16bit)
>sound, and graphics (VGA + 65000 colour True-Colour), all BUILT-IN.
>
>Probably a cheaper platform for DSP development than any card for IBM's or
>Apple Macs - the falcon030 is priced at $800 for the bare machine (no
>harddrive, no monitor, only 1 megabyte - add any SCSI drive, or 2.5" IDE drive,
>and any VGA/SVGA monitor).
>
>It looks like DSP is finally coming to home computers (NeXT already have
>them, but they're STILL out of my price range).  I hear the latest Amiga
>also has DSP.  Now we might start seeing home applications - who'd bother
>in the past when machines did not come standard with DSP.
>

The laatest amiga , the A4000, does _NOT_ have a built in DSP... 
>--
>Warwick
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Jonathan Smith

warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>loj@cae.wisc.edu (Lo Jeffrey) writes:
>
>>Sorry for asking a dumb question, but what is a falcon030 and 040?
>
>The falcon030 is the new low-cost machine from Atari Corp. - it has a
>16MHz 68030 and a 32MHz 56001 (with 32K of 24bit words), excellent (16bit)
>sound, and graphics (VGA + 65000 colour True-Colour), all BUILT-IN.
>
>Probably a cheaper platform for DSP development than any card for IBM's or
>Apple Macs - the falcon030 is priced at $800 for the bare machine (no
>harddrive, no monitor, only 1 megabyte - add any SCSI drive, or 2.5" IDE drive,
>and any VGA/SVGA monitor).
>
>It looks like DSP is finally coming to home computers (NeXT already have
>them, but they're STILL out of my price range).  I hear the latest Amiga
>also has DSP.  Now we might start seeing home applications - who'd bother
>in the past when machines did not come standard with DSP.
>
>--
>Warwick
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>  _-_|\      warwick@cs.uq.oz.au            /Disclaimer:
> /     * <-- Computer Science Department,  /  
> \_.-._/     University of Queensland,    /   C references are NULL && void*
>      v      Brisbane, Australia.        /  

Nevertheless, it is not available and the earliest is early next year. Apple
will release a Mac that will contains a CD ROM as well as a DSP. You are
right, the DSP is coming to the computer near you. -)

Sooner or later PC computers will have DSPs as well. Like most semiconductors
the DSP is good for certain tasks but not all. In some cases, the RISC
processor is more appropriate.

Mark K.
E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org