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In article <C17Ey4.DCs@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown ) writes:
>Im looking for an editor which will ......
>       handle very large files
>       is able to do block edits in columns
>       works on a PC
>       outputs ASCII
>
>It would also be nice if it worked under MS-Windows and had a fixed column
>output filling gaps with blanks or zeros

In the shareware world, Bingo should handle this (usually found as
BE300.ZIP).  In the commercial world, Brief is available from Borland.

Chris

In article <C17Ey4.DCs@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown ) writes:
>Im looking for an editor which will ......
>       handle very large files
>       is able to do block edits in columns
>       works on a PC
>       outputs ASCII
>
>It would also be nice if it worked under MS-Windows and had a fixed column
>output filling gaps with blanks or zeros

When I was a DOS user, I liked Kedit, from the Mansfield Software Group. 
It has very nice column editing features and outputs ASCII.  The latest
version, 5.0, works in DOS or OS2 and uses extended memory.  (I don't
have this version.)  They are working on a Windows version.  You can set
record type to fixed, with a specified record length in order to pad
records with blanks.  A global change would change all blanks to 0.

The column editing features are of two forms; you can highlight a column
block and then copy, move, delete, fill or overlay that block with
alt-keystroke commands (alt-c to copy, alt-m to move, etc.).  Also, you
can set a column-delimited zone, after which all of the command-line
commands will affect only the columns within the zone.  This allows you to
create complex macros (which can be bound to a key) to do virtually
unlimited column editing.

Since I have a version that's several releases out-of-date, I suggest you
call the developer if you have questions, instead of asking me:

	Mansfield Software Group
	(203) 429-8402

I call them every so often and ask if they have plans to develop a Unix
version, but so far the answer is "No".  None of the Unix editors I've
seen has the column editing power of Kedit; it's ideal for working with
data and also for turning ugly output into something close to printable,
so that TeX or a word-processor can easily handle the rest.  

Barbara Vaughan

chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown ) writes:

>Im looking for an editor which will ......
>       handle very large files
>       is able to do block edits in columns
>       works on a PC
>       outputs ASCII

>It would also be nice if it worked under MS-Windows and had a fixed column
>output filling gaps with blanks or zeros

>Thank You in Advance

>Chris
>chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk

XyWrite III+ and its descendent Signature, soon to be renamed XyWrite IV
will do all that (& more of course).  XyWrite IV is particularly nice
about  columns.

In article <C17Ey4.DCs@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown ) writes:
>Im looking for an editor which will ......
>       handle very large files
>       is able to do block edits in columns
>       works on a PC
>       outputs ASCII
>
>It would also be nice if it worked under MS-Windows and had a fixed column
>output filling gaps with blanks or zeros

Wordperfect should work.  If you are creating the file from scratch you
can build tables with the column widths you want, then move around in
it like a spreadsheet.  You can also get the spacing you want with
tab settings and/or column modes, where it might be easier to do
moves of arbitrary rectangles.

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us

In article <1993Jan22.161928.20040@Princeton.EDU>, bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
|> In article <C17Ey4.DCs@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown ) writes:
|> >Im looking for an editor which will ......
  [ bunch of deletions ]
|> 
|> When I was a DOS user, I liked Kedit, from the Mansfield Software Group. 
|> It has very nice column editing features and outputs ASCII.  The latest
|> version, 5.0, works in DOS or OS2 and uses extended memory.  (I don't
|> have this version.)  They are working on a Windows version.  You can set
|> record type to fixed, with a specified record length in order to pad
|> records with blanks.  A global change would change all blanks to 0.
|> 
  [ more deletions ]
|> 
|> I call them every so often and ask if they have plans to develop a Unix
|> version, but so far the answer is "No".  None of the Unix editors I've
|> seen has the column editing power of Kedit; it's ideal for working with
|> data and also for turning ugly output into something close to printable,
|> so that TeX or a word-processor can easily handle the rest.  
|> 
|> Barbara Vaughan
|> 

  And of course, for those who might not be aware, Kedit is based
*extensively* on the IBM SP editor Xedit for VM/CMS.  Xedit is a line-
based (like Kedit) editor with extensive integrations with IBM's REXX
programming language.  Much as I like unix, emacs and even vi ;-), I've
got to admit that IBM scored some mighty impressive points with that
editor.

Regards,
Dave
--
Dave Arndt
Mentor Graphics Corporation, Wilsonville OR
davea@wv.mentorg.com

les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:

>In article <C17Ey4.DCs@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown ) writes:
>>Im looking for an editor which will ......
>>       outputs ASCII
>>

>Wordperfect should work.  If you are creating the file from scratch you
>can build tables with the column widths you want, then move around in
>it like a spreadsheet.  You can also get the spacing you want with
>tab settings and/or column modes, where it might be easier to do
>moves of arbitrary rectangles.

Now WordPerfect doesn't really output ASCII, now does it?
Perhaps by using a hack: printing through a stripped down printer
driver with only ASCII characters and without control codes.
But there are better editors that are easier to use than by using this setup.
What about Brief, Epsilon, BOXER (shareware, but I am not sure it can 
arbitrary large files), BINGO (also shareware), Elvis (vi clone for PC,
very good, free), VIM (vi clone, very good, for PC, also free).
                       

Richard.
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In article <richard.727862762@dutepp13> Richard.Kooijman@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes:
>les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>
>>Wordperfect should work.  If you are creating the file from scratch you
>>can build tables with the column widths you want, then move around in
>>it like a spreadsheet.  You can also get the spacing you want with
>>tab settings and/or column modes, where it might be easier to do
>>moves of arbitrary rectangles.

>Now WordPerfect doesn't really output ASCII, now does it?

Sure, if you hit <ctl-F5> (dos text) and save.  You do have to be
careful not to save to the same filename as you exit from WP
(it will be remembered as the default choice).

>Perhaps by using a hack: printing through a stripped down printer
>driver with only ASCII characters and without control codes.

That works too, and either method can be automated easily with
a macro.  Of course you lose the concept of tables, tabstops, column
setups, etc., in the ASCII copy, so if you anticipate additional editing
you will also want to save a copy in native WP format under a different
filename.

>But there are better editors that are easier to use than by using this setup.
>What about Brief, Epsilon, BOXER (shareware, but I am not sure it can 
>arbitrary large files), BINGO (also shareware), Elvis (vi clone for PC,
>very good, free), VIM (vi clone, very good, for PC, also free).

"Better" depends on what you like and what you really need to do.  If
you need to work in tables, you probably won't find anything better
than Wordperfect, especially if you need to import data from a
spreadsheet into a document in table format, since that's a built-in
operation.   Elvis is the only one of the editors mentioned above
that I've used and I'm sure it's no match for WP 5.1 for anything
resembling columnar output.  If you need to output "pretty" hard
copy (i.e. with proportional fonts and borders around your tables)
as well as exporting ASCII, you'll quickly learn to appreciate the
high end wordprocessors.

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us

In article <richard.727862762@dutepp13> Richard.Kooijman@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes:
>les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>
>>In article <C17Ey4.DCs@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown ) writes:
>>>Im looking for an editor which will ......
>>>       outputs ASCII
>
>>Wordperfect should work...
>
>Now WordPerfect doesn't really output ASCII, now does it?
>Perhaps by using a hack: printing through a stripped down printer
>driver with only ASCII characters and without control codes.

Yes, it does.  F10, then one of the options shown (Save DOS text, I think).
However, WP column editing ability is strictly limited to columns you've
predefined before setting up the data file.  And moving between columns is
a pain.

Barbara Vaughan

In article <1993Jan25.174143.26098@Princeton.EDU>, bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
> 
> Yes, it does.  F10, then one of the options shown (Save DOS text, I think).
> However, WP column editing ability is strictly limited to columns you've
> predefined before setting up the data file.  And moving between columns is
> a pain.
> 
> Barbara Vaughan

Our commercial editor, ie, has column-oriented copy, cut, and, paste, as
well as a search window toggle for column versus buffer-wide search and
replace.  And, of course, you define a column dynamically, simply by
marking the top-left and bottom-right corners.

Jerry Smith
Iris Computing Laboratories
The Spectro Group, Inc.
Phone:  +1-505-988-2670
Fax:    +1-505-988-2489
Email:  jsmith@spectro.com

From article <C17Ey4.DCs@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk>, by chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Chris Brown ):

As you said...

> Im looking for an editor which will ......
>        handle very large files
>        is able to do block edits in columns
>        works on a PC
>        outputs ASCII
> 
> It would also be nice if it worked under MS-Windows and had a fixed column
> output filling gaps with blanks or zeros
> 
> Thank You in Advance
> 
> Chris
> chris47@uxb.liv.ac.uk

The editor I would recommend is Solution System's Brief - it is simply
the best programming editor I have come across, and even if it does
not do a particular function you require, you can define a macro
to do it for you.  Maximum file length is 32Mb, and it handles
column blocks with ease.  Check it out.

David Joyce.

les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:

>In article <richard.727862762@dutepp13> Richard.Kooijman@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes:
>>les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>>
>>>Wordperfect should work.  If you are creating the file from scratch you
>>>can build tables with the column widths you want, then move around in
>>>it like a spreadsheet.  You can also get the spacing you want with
>>>tab settings and/or column modes, where it might be easier to do
>>>moves of arbitrary rectangles.

>>Now WordPerfect doesn't really output ASCII, now does it?

>Sure, if you hit <ctl-F5> (dos text) and save.  You do have to be
>careful not to save to the same filename as you exit from WP
>(it will be remembered as the default choice).

See above, the use of tables was adviced. No way they will be
usable in DOS text format for other programs.


Richard.

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