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Article #16Re: "Chaffinch" in other languages, as surname etc.
From: MSZ
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:57
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:57
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Peer Mankpoot wrote: > > Nicola Nobili schreef/citeerde op Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:50:46 +0100: > > > > What do you think of the hypothesis that the name of the bird was given > > > as a surname originally to someone who could sing very nice? > > > > In Italian, I think it is unlikely. When someone sings beautifully, we > > say that s/he sings like a nightingdale. > > Same in Dutch. Well, in Polish we now also have the same common locution, but I think it's not so much old (it must have come to Poland maybe from Italy in the late Renaissance, durign the time of the Queen Bona Sforza (lat XVIIth century), together with many other common expressions. The notion "singing like nightingale" was criticised still in the beginning of the XIXth century (i.a. by the famous Polis poet, Adam Mickiewicz, as a part of a "foreign fashion", whereas we have many OWN nice-singing birds, but unfortunately he does not enumerate them). On the contrary - weren't it you who told us about a Dutch proverb: "joyful as a finch"? How does it sound in Dutch? It seems to me that I have heard about something similar in French "joyeux comme un pinson"? We don't have any similar proverb in Polish, but on the contrary we have a nice poem (for children) by Jan Brzechwa about a concert of a finch. Maciej
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