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Article #18Re: "Chaffinch" in other languages, as surname etc.
From: andy roberts
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:37
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:37
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Peer Mankpoot <peer.mankpoot@euronet.nl> <mp3k7ugibedf86ddovi4etraar0o3qpcln@4ax.com> : >MSZ schreef/citeerde op Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:57:57 +0100: > >> > > > What do you think of the hypothesis that the name of the bird was given >> > > > as a surname originally to someone who could sing very nice? >> > > >> > > In Italian, I think it is unlikely. When someone sings beautifully, we >> > > say that s/he sings like a nightingdale. >> > >> > Same in Dutch. >> >> Well, in Polish we now also have the same common locution, but I think >> it's not so much old (it must have come to Poland maybe from Italy in >> the late Renaissance, durign the time of the Queen Bona Sforza (lat >> XVIIth century), together with many other common expressions. The notion >> "singing like nightingale" was criticised still in the beginning of the >> XIXth century (i.a. by the famous Polis poet, Adam Mickiewicz, as a part >> of a "foreign fashion", whereas we have many OWN nice-singing birds, but >> unfortunately he does not enumerate them). > >Xenophobia brought about by a bird of less than 10 cm in height - that >is TRUE xenophobia! ;-) > I always wonder about that old WWII song which goes "There'll be bluebirds over, the white cliffs of Dover". I used to live in Dover and it puzzled me. I don't know what species a bluebird is, something North American perhaps, or African?, but there have certainly never been any bluebirds in or anywhere near Dover. There are a lot of swifts and swallows though. There was a land speed record breaking car called "bluebird", and a boat.. Andy R [en,fr] -- http://www.europa.usenet.eu.org Europa.* is the usenet hierarchy for europe wide topics without language restrictions.
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