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Anthony A. Datri writes:

   >help me), we might be able to help.  I'm going to suggest GNU
   >Emacs if at all possible, since it is the ONE and ONLY TRUE EMAS.

   Your confusion is matched only by your spelling.  If any emacs is
   the "true" emacs, then it's the original PDP-10 implementation.

I do believe that GNU Emacs is the Emacs as it was always intended to
be.  Simply because something is the orginal version does not make it
the TRUE version.  If it was, I believe RMS would use Emacs on a
PDP-10, but instead he uses GNU Emacs v18.57 I believe (he may use v19
by now).  It is really not worth arguing about... I used to use TECO,
and while it was wonderful (definately a step up from that
god-forsaken KED under RT-11), I would not go back to it.  It does,
however, make for nice quick macros.  I believe that sometime in the
future, GNU Emacs will contains the full TECO implementation.  Since
RMS wrote GNU Emacs (primarily), I consider it the REAL Emacs.

   >  The rest (Gosling/UniPress included) are close, but not quite
   >  there... they are missing the FULLBLOWN Lisp environment, GC and
   >  all.

   You're joking, right?  The PDP-10 implementation spoke TECO.
   According to my memory and all accounts I've read, Gosmacs predated
   gnumacs, and therefore mocklisp predated elisp.

But MACLisp predates tehm all, and that is basically what Elisp is
derived from.

   I recall reading statements ascribed to RMS that indicated that
   early versions of gnumacs even used some of Gosling's code.

I do believe this was true for a short period of time, until the
sections of code could be rewritten, but then again BSD contains AT&T
code, does that make it the same?

   Gnumacs is a fine peice of work, but it's not the Deity.  It's also
   a huge binary.

Unfortunately, the Lisp environment does enlarge Emacs, but I do think
the effort is worth it.  Also, since I only load Emacs at most 1 time
per day, the size isn't a problem (interesting note: on a Sequent
Balance, it takes only 2 minutes to load Emacs, but on an HP 9000/350
it takes about 15 secs, hmmm....).  Also, it is GNU Emacs, not Gnumacs
:-).

Chris
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