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In article <ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com>, jz137xww@cox.net 
says...
>
>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>there a method?.

Probably the best method would be to Select the face(s) by whatever means you 
choose, Lasso, Pen Tool (to Selection), etc., then Invert Selection, click 
Adjustment Layer (with the Selection Active to create a Layer Mask), and 
choose, say Levels, or Curves. Adjust the density to suit your tastes, and 
then make the Layer Mask active and paint with a very soft-edged brush, until 
the transition is suitable to your tastes. You can also use the Blur Tool on 
the Layer Mask edge to soften this.

Hunt

"Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
news:ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com...
>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
> there a method?.

The standard way is a mask with an adjustment layer, and you should probably 
start by doing it that way.

As an advanced technique, if the faces are brighter, or a different color 
than most of the rest of the image it may be faster and easier to dup the 
image to a new layer, adjust the faces ignoring the rest of the image, use 
the layer's Blend If sliders set appropriately to change only the faces, and 
use a layer mask to clean up any parts that are not caught by the Blend If 
sliders.
-- 
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:52:18 -0800, "Mike Russell"
<RE-MOVEmike@Curvemeister.comRE-MOVE> wrote:

>"Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
>news:ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com...
>>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>> there a method?.
>
>The standard way is a mask with an adjustment layer, and you should probably 
>start by doing it that way.
>
>As an advanced technique, if the faces are brighter, or a different color 
>than most of the rest of the image it may be faster and easier to dup the 
>image to a new layer, adjust the faces ignoring the rest of the image, use 
>the layer's Blend If sliders set appropriately to change only the faces, and 
>use a layer mask to clean up any parts that are not caught by the Blend If 
>sliders.

Mike, does that man I'd have to mask each individual face (I know it's
a stupid question - but I have to ask anyway)?

On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:52:18 -0800, "Mike Russell"
<RE-MOVEmike@Curvemeister.comRE-MOVE> wrote:

>"Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
>news:ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com...
>>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>> there a method?.
>
>The standard way is a mask with an adjustment layer, and you should probably 
>start by doing it that way.

Mike, could you be a lot more specific?  I know how to paint using the
quick mask - but that's all.
>
>As an advanced technique, if the faces are brighter, or a different color 
>than most of the rest of the image it may be faster and easier to dup the 
>image to a new layer, adjust the faces ignoring the rest of the image, use 
>the layer's Blend If sliders set appropriately to change only the faces, and 
>use a layer mask to clean up any parts that are not caught by the Blend If 
>sliders.

Same here.  If you could be more specific, I'll learn something new.
Thanks......

"Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
news:kao0q2h5l9kmso8m5h996tkof6s4t7315u@4ax.com...

Mike said:
>>The standard way is a mask with an adjustment layer, and you should 
>>probably
>>start by doing it that way.
>
> Mike, could you be a lot more specific?  I know how to paint using the
> quick mask - but that's all.

Actually, Hunt did a good job on this, and I couldn't say it much better.

>>As an advanced technique, if the faces are brighter, or a different color
>>than most of the rest of the image it may be faster and easier to dup the
>>image to a new layer, adjust the faces ignoring the rest of the image, use
>>the layer's Blend If sliders set appropriately to change only the faces, 
>>and
>>use a layer mask to clean up any parts that are not caught by the Blend If
>>sliders.
>
> Same here.  If you could be more specific, I'll learn something new.
> Thanks......

If the faces are lighter than the rest of the image, or otherwise 
distinguished in the amount of red, green, or blue in them, then you can use 
this method.

Duplicate the image to a new layer, and use curves (or your favorite method) 
to make the faces lighter.  Then double click on the layer in the layers 
palette, and fiddle with the Blend If sliders so that only the faces are 
changed.  If there are any non-face areas you care about whose color is 
lightened, use a layer mask and paint those areas black to get rid of them.

For additional "blend if" leverage, convert the image to Lab mode.  In Lab 
you can select more effectively based on the color of the object, apart from 
its lightness.  Dpreveiw has a discussion with an example image:
<http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1006&message=21349443&changemode=1>

The ultimate source for this technique is in Dan Margulis's Lab book.
-- 
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 19:39:05 -0800, "Mike Russell"
<RE-MOVEmike@Curvemeister.comRE-MOVE> wrote:

>"Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
>news:kao0q2h5l9kmso8m5h996tkof6s4t7315u@4ax.com...
>
>Mike said:
>>>The standard way is a mask with an adjustment layer, and you should 
>>>probably
>>>start by doing it that way.
>>
>> Mike, could you be a lot more specific?  I know how to paint using the
>> quick mask - but that's all.
>
>Actually, Hunt did a good job on this, and I couldn't say it much better.

Hunt?

>
>>>As an advanced technique, if the faces are brighter, or a different color
>>>than most of the rest of the image it may be faster and easier to dup the
>>>image to a new layer, adjust the faces ignoring the rest of the image, use
>>>the layer's Blend If sliders set appropriately to change only the faces, 
>>>and
>>>use a layer mask to clean up any parts that are not caught by the Blend If
>>>sliders.
>>
>> Same here.  If you could be more specific, I'll learn something new.
>> Thanks......
>
>If the faces are lighter than the rest of the image, or otherwise 
>distinguished in the amount of red, green, or blue in them, then you can use 
>this method.
>
>Duplicate the image to a new layer, and use curves (or your favorite method) 
>to make the faces lighter.  Then double click on the layer in the layers 
>palette, and fiddle with the Blend If sliders so that only the faces are 
>changed.  If there are any non-face areas you care about whose color is 
>lightened, use a layer mask and paint those areas black to get rid of them.
>
>For additional "blend if" leverage, convert the image to Lab mode.  In Lab 
>you can select more effectively based on the color of the object, apart from 
>its lightness.  Dpreveiw has a discussion with an example image:
><http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1006&message=21349443&changemode=1>
>
>The ultimate source for this technique is in Dan Margulis's Lab book.

On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 19:39:05 -0800, "Mike Russell"
<RE-MOVEmike@Curvemeister.comRE-MOVE> wrote:

>"Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
>news:kao0q2h5l9kmso8m5h996tkof6s4t7315u@4ax.com...
>
>Mike said:
>>>The standard way is a mask with an adjustment layer, and you should 
>>>probably
>>>start by doing it that way.
>>
>> Mike, could you be a lot more specific?  I know how to paint using the
>> quick mask - but that's all.
>
>Actually, Hunt did a good job on this, and I couldn't say it much better.

OK, I Googled and found Gordon Hunt.  How do I find the procedure for
the faces?  Thanks.
>
>>>As an advanced technique, if the faces are brighter, or a different color
>>>than most of the rest of the image it may be faster and easier to dup the
>>>image to a new layer, adjust the faces ignoring the rest of the image, use
>>>the layer's Blend If sliders set appropriately to change only the faces, 
>>>and
>>>use a layer mask to clean up any parts that are not caught by the Blend If
>>>sliders.
>>
>> Same here.  If you could be more specific, I'll learn something new.
>> Thanks......
>
>If the faces are lighter than the rest of the image, or otherwise 
>distinguished in the amount of red, green, or blue in them, then you can use 
>this method.
>
>Duplicate the image to a new layer, and use curves (or your favorite method) 
>to make the faces lighter.  Then double click on the layer in the layers 
>palette, and fiddle with the Blend If sliders so that only the faces are 
>changed.  If there are any non-face areas you care about whose color is 
>lightened, use a layer mask and paint those areas black to get rid of them.
>
>For additional "blend if" leverage, convert the image to Lab mode.  In Lab 
>you can select more effectively based on the color of the object, apart from 
>its lightness.  Dpreveiw has a discussion with an example image:
><http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1006&message=21349443&changemode=1>
>
>The ultimate source for this technique is in Dan Margulis's Lab book.

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 10:44:33 -0500, Fruit2O <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote:

>"Mike Russell"
>>Actually, Hunt did a good job on this, and I couldn't say it much better.
>

>then Fruit ask this stupid question
>Hunt?
>OK, I Googled and found Gordon Hunt.  How do I find the procedure for
>the faces?  Thanks.


I f you do not even look at the names of the people doing effort to
answer you, go buy a book and don't waste people like Mike and
Hunt's time

Dave

"Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
news:ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com...
>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
> there a method?.

OK for quick and dirty I would do this

select DODGE tool
3-7% strength should do
midtones setting
large brush approx size of face -brush should have VERY soft edge
click one or two times on each face

you may need burn on shadows to put back some dulled out eyes or lips

"KatWoman" <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:gAboh.23036$AY1.3075@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
> news:ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com...
>>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>> there a method?.
>
> OK for quick and dirty I would do this
>
> select DODGE tool
> 3-7% strength should do
> midtones setting
> large brush approx size of face -brush should have VERY soft edge
> click one or two times on each face
>
> you may need burn on shadows to put back some dulled out eyes or lips
>
should not need to say but:
use "SAVE as"
or do this on a duplicate layer 

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:20:15 -0500, "KatWoman"
<XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"KatWoman" <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
>news:gAboh.23036$AY1.3075@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
>> news:ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com...
>>>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>>> there a method?.
>>
>> OK for quick and dirty I would do this
>>
>> select DODGE tool
>> 3-7% strength should do
>> midtones setting
>> large brush approx size of face -brush should have VERY soft edge
>> click one or two times on each face
>>
>> you may need burn on shadows to put back some dulled out eyes or lips
>>
>should not need to say but:
>use "SAVE as"
>or do this on a duplicate layer 
>
Thank you.  Now I need to choose between different techniques.

"Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
news:03l2q21pvgudnehel6f0jgd60j9ohhf44b@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:20:15 -0500, "KatWoman"
> <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"KatWoman" <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:gAboh.23036$AY1.3075@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> "Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com...
>>>>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>>>> there a method?.
>>>
>>> OK for quick and dirty I would do this
>>>
>>> select DODGE tool
>>> 3-7% strength should do
>>> midtones setting
>>> large brush approx size of face -brush should have VERY soft edge
>>> click one or two times on each face
>>>
>>> you may need burn on shadows to put back some dulled out eyes or lips
>>>
>>should not need to say but:
>>use "SAVE as"
>>or do this on a duplicate layer
>>
> Thank you.  Now I need to choose between different techniques.

Bob,

If you would like to try another one ;)

Duplicate your layer and set the mode to screen.
Apply a layer mask via the icon at bottom of layers pallete with the control 
key depressed (this will give you a hide all mask and you will see the duped 
layer effect dissapear)
You then paint with white on the black mask to reveal the parts of the image 
you want lightened.
If the effect is to bright, you then reduce the opacity of the screen layer 
to suit.

MH 

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:17:39 +0200, Dave <dave@broadband.co.za> wrote:

>
>
>On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 10:44:33 -0500, Fruit2O <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>"Mike Russell"
>>>Actually, Hunt did a good job on this, and I couldn't say it much better.
>>
>
>>then Fruit ask this stupid question
>>Hunt?
>>OK, I Googled and found Gordon Hunt.  How do I find the procedure for
>>the faces?  Thanks.
>
>
>I f you do not even look at the names of the people doing effort to
>answer you, go buy a book and don't waste people like Mike and
>Hunt's time

1.  I'm not trying to waste anybody's time.  What 'name' did I miss?
2.  This forum is supposed to be for helping people (not criticize
them).  I have a lot of books on PS CS2 - but can't find what I'm
looking for.  I can get around a little - but often need help from the
newsgroups.
3.  It probably would have been just as easy for you to help me than it
was to criticize me.  I would say to you 'put your efforts to more
constructive use.'

Bob
>
>Dave

"Mike Hyndman" <tell me yours and I'll send mine@suspisiousbastard.com> 
wrote in message news:ent0he$6l$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>
> "Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
> news:03l2q21pvgudnehel6f0jgd60j9ohhf44b@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:20:15 -0500, "KatWoman"
>> <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"KatWoman" <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:gAboh.23036$AY1.3075@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com...
>>>>>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>>>>> there a method?.
>>>>
>>>> OK for quick and dirty I would do this
>>>>
>>>> select DODGE tool
>>>> 3-7% strength should do
>>>> midtones setting
>>>> large brush approx size of face -brush should have VERY soft edge
>>>> click one or two times on each face
>>>>
>>>> you may need burn on shadows to put back some dulled out eyes or lips
>>>>
>>>should not need to say but:
>>>use "SAVE as"
>>>or do this on a duplicate layer
>>>
>> Thank you.  Now I need to choose between different techniques.
>
> Bob,
>
> If you would like to try another one ;)
>
> Duplicate your layer and set the mode to screen.
> Apply a layer mask via the icon at bottom of layers pallete with the 
> control key depressed (this will give you a hide all mask and you will see 
> the duped layer effect dissapear)
> You then paint with white on the black mask to reveal the parts of the 
> image you want lightened.
> If the effect is to bright, you then reduce the opacity of the screen 
> layer to suit.
>
Control should read Alt. ;(

MH

On 2007-01-07 15:20:15 -0400, "KatWoman" 
<XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> said:

> 
> "KatWoman" <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:gAboh.23036$AY1.3075@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>> 
>> "Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
>> news:ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com...
>>> I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>>> there a method?.
>> 
>> OK for quick and dirty I would do this
>> 
>> select DODGE tool
>> 3-7% strength should do
>> midtones setting
>> large brush approx size of face -brush should have VERY soft edge
>> click one or two times on each face
>> 
>> you may need burn on shadows to put back some dulled out eyes or lips
>> 
> should not need to say but:
> use "SAVE as"
> or do this on a duplicate layer

Don't ever use the dodge and burn tool. Never! it kills pixels just 
like the eraser tool does.
of course, if pixel information is not important to you ignore this and 
use it :)


-- 
Welcome to Papa Joe's

In article <ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com>, jz137xww@cox.net 
says...
>
>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>there a method?.

What should have appeared, but probably didn't, was the following:

"Probably the best method would be to Select the face(s) by whatever means you 
choose, Lasso, Pen Tool (to Selection), etc., then Invert Selection, click 
Adjustment Layer (with the Selection Active to create a Layer Mask), and 
choose, say Levels, or Curves. Adjust the density to suit your tastes, and 
then make the Layer Mask active and paint with a very soft-edged brush, until 
the transition is suitable to your tastes. You can also use the Blur Tool on 
the Layer Mask edge to soften this.

Hunt"

I also like Mike's method #2, with the Dupe Layer (Ctrl-j) and the Blend If 
slider.

In Photoshop, there are many roads that lead to a common destination. Some 
offer advantages of speed, some ease of use, some just fit the way that person 
works. Often there are compromises, i.e. time to make a great Mask, vs. being 
able to get good results in a more quick-n-dirty fashion (but still with those 
"good results").

Do not know why my earlier post didn't show up, but then news servers are not 
created equal.

Hunt

On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:46:24 -0000, "Mike Hyndman" <tell me yours and
I'll send mine@suspisiousbastard.com> wrote:

>
>"Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
>news:03l2q21pvgudnehel6f0jgd60j9ohhf44b@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:20:15 -0500, "KatWoman"
>> <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"KatWoman" <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:gAboh.23036$AY1.3075@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com...
>>>>>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>>>>> there a method?.
>>>>
>>>> OK for quick and dirty I would do this
>>>>
>>>> select DODGE tool
>>>> 3-7% strength should do
>>>> midtones setting
>>>> large brush approx size of face -brush should have VERY soft edge
>>>> click one or two times on each face
>>>>
>>>> you may need burn on shadows to put back some dulled out eyes or lips
>>>>
>>>should not need to say but:
>>>use "SAVE as"
>>>or do this on a duplicate layer
>>>
>> Thank you.  Now I need to choose between different techniques.
>
>Bob,
>
>If you would like to try another one ;)
>
>Duplicate your layer and set the mode to screen.
>Apply a layer mask via the icon at bottom of layers pallete with the control 
>key depressed (this will give you a hide all mask and you will see the duped 
>layer effect dissapear)
>You then paint with white on the black mask to reveal the parts of the image 
>you want lightened.
>If the effect is to bright, you then reduce the opacity of the screen layer 
>to suit.
>
>MH 
>
Mike, this is beyond my skill level.  Thanks.

On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 21:56:03 -0400, Papa Joe <brown.joey@mac.com> wrote:

>On 2007-01-07 15:20:15 -0400, "KatWoman" 
><XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> said:
>
>> 
>> "KatWoman" <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:gAboh.23036$AY1.3075@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>> 
>>> "Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
>>> news:ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com...
>>>> I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>>>> there a method?.
>>> 
>>> OK for quick and dirty I would do this
>>> 
>>> select DODGE tool
>>> 3-7% strength should do
>>> midtones setting
>>> large brush approx size of face -brush should have VERY soft edge
>>> click one or two times on each face
>>> 
>>> you may need burn on shadows to put back some dulled out eyes or lips
>>> 
>> should not need to say but:
>> use "SAVE as"
>> or do this on a duplicate layer
>
>Don't ever use the dodge and burn tool. Never! it kills pixels just 
>like the eraser tool does.
>of course, if pixel information is not important to you ignore this and 
>use it :)

Thanks - I kind of thought this was not the way to go.

On 9 Jan 2007 17:53:03 GMT, noone@hunt.com (Hunt) wrote:

>In article <ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com>, jz137xww@cox.net 
>says...
>>
>>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>>there a method?.
>
>What should have appeared, but probably didn't, was the following:
>
>"Probably the best method would be to Select the face(s) by whatever means you 
>choose, Lasso, Pen Tool (to Selection), etc., then Invert Selection, click 
>Adjustment Layer (with the Selection Active to create a Layer Mask), and 
>choose, say Levels, or Curves. Adjust the density to suit your tastes, and 
>then make the Layer Mask active and paint with a very soft-edged brush, until 
>the transition is suitable to your tastes. You can also use the Blur Tool on 
>the Layer Mask edge to soften this.
>
>Hunt"
>
This is sort of what I did:  I used the quick mask to mask ALL the
faces at once.  Then, I use white paint to close in on just tthe faces.
Then, inversed the selection and hid the ants.  Then used the various
adjustments to get the faces to where I wanted the (brightness,
contrast, hue, etc.).  I don't know a thing about using levels and
curves yet (wish I did).


>I also like Mike's method #2, with the Dupe Layer (Ctrl-j) and the Blend If 
>slider.

I also wish I knew how to use the Blend tools - but that's beyond my
skill level right now.
>
>In Photoshop, there are many roads that lead to a common destination. Some 
>offer advantages of speed, some ease of use, some just fit the way that person 
>works. Often there are compromises, i.e. time to make a great Mask, vs. being 
>able to get good results in a more quick-n-dirty fashion (but still with those 
>"good results").
>
>Do not know why my earlier post didn't show up, but then news servers are not 
>created equal.
>
>Hunt

Thank you for responding.

In article <9n68q2lrgc86mralrqbtmsoj24iri6ursq@4ax.com>, jz137xww@cox.net 
says...
>
>On 9 Jan 2007 17:53:03 GMT, noone@hunt.com (Hunt) wrote:
>
>>In article <ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com>, jz137xww@cox.net 
>>says...
>>>
>>>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>>>there a method?.
>>
>>What should have appeared, but probably didn't, was the following:
>>
>>"Probably the best method would be to Select the face(s) by whatever means 
you 
>>choose, Lasso, Pen Tool (to Selection), etc., then Invert Selection, click 
>>Adjustment Layer (with the Selection Active to create a Layer Mask), and 
>>choose, say Levels, or Curves. Adjust the density to suit your tastes, and 
>>then make the Layer Mask active and paint with a very soft-edged brush, 
until 
>>the transition is suitable to your tastes. You can also use the Blur Tool on 
>>the Layer Mask edge to soften this.
>>
>>Hunt"
>>
>This is sort of what I did:  I used the quick mask to mask ALL the
>faces at once.  Then, I use white paint to close in on just tthe faces.
>Then, inversed the selection and hid the ants.  Then used the various
>adjustments to get the faces to where I wanted the (brightness,
>contrast, hue, etc.).  I don't know a thing about using levels and
>curves yet (wish I did).

This would be a good place to play with them. Start with Levels, and play with 
the settings, on your Dupe Layer, or however you are handling the correction. 
Take a look at your results. Save_As and then do the same thing with Curves. 
Each has a place in the workflow. I find Levels a bit more intuitive, and 
Curves with much greater power.


>
>
>>I also like Mike's method #2, with the Dupe Layer (Ctrl-j) and the Blend If 
>>slider.
>
>I also wish I knew how to use the Blend tools - but that's beyond my
>skill level right now.
>>
>>In Photoshop, there are many roads that lead to a common destination. Some 
>>offer advantages of speed, some ease of use, some just fit the way that 
person 
>>works. Often there are compromises, i.e. time to make a great Mask, vs. 
being 
>>able to get good results in a more quick-n-dirty fashion (but still with 
those 
>>"good results").
>>
>>Do not know why my earlier post didn't show up, but then news servers are 
not 
>>created equal.
>>
>>Hunt
>
>Thank you for responding.

No problem. As you pointed out in an intermediate post - that what we are here 
for!

Good Photoshopping (yeah, I know, it's not accepted as a verb yet, but just 
wait).

Hunt

On 10 Jan 2007 00:45:59 GMT, noone@hunt.com (Hunt) wrote:

>In article <9n68q2lrgc86mralrqbtmsoj24iri6ursq@4ax.com>, jz137xww@cox.net 
>says...
>>
>>On 9 Jan 2007 17:53:03 GMT, noone@hunt.com (Hunt) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com>, jz137xww@cox.net 
>>>says...
>>>>
>>>>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>>>>there a method?.
>>>
>>>What should have appeared, but probably didn't, was the following:
>>>
>>>"Probably the best method would be to Select the face(s) by whatever means 
>you 
>>>choose, Lasso, Pen Tool (to Selection), etc., then Invert Selection, click 
>>>Adjustment Layer (with the Selection Active to create a Layer Mask), and 
>>>choose, say Levels, or Curves. Adjust the density to suit your tastes, and 
>>>then make the Layer Mask active and paint with a very soft-edged brush, 
>until 
>>>the transition is suitable to your tastes. You can also use the Blur Tool on 
>>>the Layer Mask edge to soften this.
>>>
>>>Hunt"
>>>
>>This is sort of what I did:  I used the quick mask to mask ALL the
>>faces at once.  Then, I use white paint to close in on just tthe faces.
>>Then, inversed the selection and hid the ants.  Then used the various
>>adjustments to get the faces to where I wanted the (brightness,
>>contrast, hue, etc.).  I don't know a thing about using levels and
>>curves yet (wish I did).
>
>This would be a good place to play with them. Start with Levels, and play with 
>the settings, on your Dupe Layer, or however you are handling the correction. 
>Take a look at your results. Save_As and then do the same thing with Curves. 
>Each has a place in the workflow. I find Levels a bit more intuitive, and 
>Curves with much greater power.
>
>
>>
>>
>>>I also like Mike's method #2, with the Dupe Layer (Ctrl-j) and the Blend If 
>>>slider.
>>
>>I also wish I knew how to use the Blend tools - but that's beyond my
>>skill level right now.
>>>
>>>In Photoshop, there are many roads that lead to a common destination. Some 
>>>offer advantages of speed, some ease of use, some just fit the way that 
>person 
>>>works. Often there are compromises, i.e. time to make a great Mask, vs. 
>being 
>>>able to get good results in a more quick-n-dirty fashion (but still with 
>those 
>>>"good results").
>>>
>>>Do not know why my earlier post didn't show up, but then news servers are 
>not 
>>>created equal.
>>>
>>>Hunt
>>
>>Thank you for responding.
>
>No problem. As you pointed out in an intermediate post - that what we are here 
>for!
>
>Good Photoshopping (yeah, I know, it's not accepted as a verb yet, but just 
>wait).
>
>Hunt

Thanks again - I will play around with the curves and levels.  I just
need a starting point so I know what I'm doing or attempting to
accomplish.  Oh, and I think 'to Photoshop' is now a verb.

Bob

On 2007-01-06 19:53:23 -0400, Fruit2O <jz137xww@cox.net> said:

> I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
> there a method?.

FYI,
if you're ever adjusting faces for newsprint at coarse screens, use a 
hard adjustement layer and drop the opacity to 30-50, you need to get 
rif of the midtones ( more contrast) or they will look very flat.


-- 
Welcome to Papa Joe's

> Fruit2O wrote:
>
> I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
> there a method?.

One more quick and easy way to do this (posted earlier but it never
appeared) ...

With the file open do Layer - New - Layer and in the menu change 'mode'
to 'soft light' and then select the box for 'fill with
soft-light-neutral color (50% gray)' and click 'ok'.

Nothing happens except you have a neutral layer, which doesn't affect
the image in 'soft light' mode.

Now type 'd' to set the default foreground/background colors, select
the Brush tool with a soft edged brush somewhat smaller than a face,
with the 'opacity' set to about 10%.

Now if you paint on the mask with black it will darken the area painted
and if you paint with white it will lighten it, which is what you want
to do.  So make white the foreground color and paint away on the faces.
 At low opacity you'll need to make several strokes to get the effect
you wish.  If you make it too light just paint with black.

Probably a good idea to make a new layer for every couple of faces.

This is basically a better way to burn and dodge than the rather crude
Burn/Dodge tool.

Bill

"Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
news:jh68q2hggaue3912i2tfqcgp0l9mm1gnmd@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:46:24 -0000, "Mike Hyndman" <tell me yours and
> I'll send mine@suspisiousbastard.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:03l2q21pvgudnehel6f0jgd60j9ohhf44b@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:20:15 -0500, "KatWoman"
>>> <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"KatWoman" <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:gAboh.23036$AY1.3075@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com...
>>>>>>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>>>>>> there a method?.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK for quick and dirty I would do this
>>>>>
>>>>> select DODGE tool
>>>>> 3-7% strength should do
>>>>> midtones setting
>>>>> large brush approx size of face -brush should have VERY soft edge
>>>>> click one or two times on each face
>>>>>
>>>>> you may need burn on shadows to put back some dulled out eyes or lips
>>>>>
>>>>should not need to say but:
>>>>use "SAVE as"
>>>>or do this on a duplicate layer
>>>>
>>> Thank you.  Now I need to choose between different techniques.
>>
>>Bob,
>>
>>If you would like to try another one ;)
>>
>>Duplicate your layer and set the mode to screen.
>>Apply a layer mask via the icon at bottom of layers pallete with the 
>>control
>>key depressed (this will give you a hide all mask and you will see the 
>>duped
>>layer effect dissapear)
>>You then paint with white on the black mask to reveal the parts of the 
>>image
>>you want lightened.
>>If the effect is to bright, you then reduce the opacity of the screen 
>>layer
>>to suit.
>>
>>MH
>>
> Mike, this is beyond my skill level.  Thanks.

If you want to learn to swim you have to get wet.;)

MH 

"Mike Hyndman" <mike@somewhere.somewhere.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:eo3adn$5dd$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>
> "Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
> news:jh68q2hggaue3912i2tfqcgp0l9mm1gnmd@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:46:24 -0000, "Mike Hyndman" <tell me yours and
>> I'll send mine@suspisiousbastard.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:03l2q21pvgudnehel6f0jgd60j9ohhf44b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:20:15 -0500, "KatWoman"
>>>> <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"KatWoman" <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:gAboh.23036$AY1.3075@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>>>>>>> there a method?.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK for quick and dirty I would do this
>>>>>>
>>>>>> select DODGE tool
>>>>>> 3-7% strength should do
>>>>>> midtones setting
>>>>>> large brush approx size of face -brush should have VERY soft edge
>>>>>> click one or two times on each face
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you may need burn on shadows to put back some dulled out eyes or lips
>>>>>>
>>>>>should not need to say but:
>>>>>use "SAVE as"
>>>>>or do this on a duplicate layer
>>>>>
>>>> Thank you.  Now I need to choose between different techniques.
>>>
>>>Bob,
>>>
>>>If you would like to try another one ;)
>>>
>>>Duplicate your layer and set the mode to screen.
>>>Apply a layer mask via the icon at bottom of layers pallete with the 
>>>control
>>>key depressed (this will give you a hide all mask and you will see the 
>>>duped
>>>layer effect dissapear)
>>>You then paint with white on the black mask to reveal the parts of the 
>>>image
>>>you want lightened.
>>>If the effect is to bright, you then reduce the opacity of the screen 
>>>layer
>>>to suit.
>>>
>>>MH
>>>
>> Mike, this is beyond my skill level.  Thanks.
>
> If you want to learn to swim you have to get wet.;)
>
> MH


that is why I posted QUICK AND DIRTY method
for noobs who do not know the GUI well and  rarely know how to use masks

as for lost pixels who cares on a copy?? you care what the image looks like 
printed or on the web not the pixel contents
you want it to look good or be technically perfect?? 

"Bill Hilton" <bhilton665@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1168448271.462303.327410@i56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> Fruit2O wrote:
>>
>> I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>> there a method?.
>
> One more quick and easy way to do this (posted earlier but it never
> appeared) ...
>
> With the file open do Layer - New - Layer and in the menu change 'mode'
> to 'soft light' and then select the box for 'fill with
> soft-light-neutral color (50% gray)' and click 'ok'.
>
> Nothing happens except you have a neutral layer, which doesn't affect
> the image in 'soft light' mode.
>
> Now type 'd' to set the default foreground/background colors, select
> the Brush tool with a soft edged brush somewhat smaller than a face,
> with the 'opacity' set to about 10%.
>
> Now if you paint on the mask with black it will darken the area painted
> and if you paint with white it will lighten it, which is what you want
> to do.  So make white the foreground color and paint away on the faces.
> At low opacity you'll need to make several strokes to get the effect
> you wish.  If you make it too light just paint with black.
>
> Probably a good idea to make a new layer for every couple of faces.
>
> This is basically a better way to burn and dodge than the rather crude
> Burn/Dodge tool.
>
> Bill



what you call  "crudeness" of burn/dodge tools tells me you never worked in 
the limitations of a real wet darkroom
where you had little sticks and paper wands and had to use them quickly 
before the print time was done

it also tells me you do not know how to use those tools properly and 
subtlety in PS
they have very sensitive settings if you bother to change from 50% defaults
added to the fact you can affect only midtones highlights or shadows makes 
this tool even more versatile
and with no time limit and perfect control of areas you want to affect
it is way superior to actual darkroom working of the dinosaur times

well keep trying the hard way
you will learn stuff even if it takes awhile
levels is easier than curves
but you will lose those oh so valuable pixels it you move the end ones 
anyway 

"KatWoman" <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:udcph.1126$u8.521@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Mike Hyndman" <mike@somewhere.somewhere.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:eo3adn$5dd$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>>
>> "Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
>> news:jh68q2hggaue3912i2tfqcgp0l9mm1gnmd@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:46:24 -0000, "Mike Hyndman" <tell me yours and
>>> I'll send mine@suspisiousbastard.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:03l2q21pvgudnehel6f0jgd60j9ohhf44b@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:20:15 -0500, "KatWoman"
>>>>> <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"KatWoman" <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:gAboh.23036$AY1.3075@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>>>>>>>> there a method?.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK for quick and dirty I would do this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> select DODGE tool
>>>>>>> 3-7% strength should do
>>>>>>> midtones setting
>>>>>>> large brush approx size of face -brush should have VERY soft edge
>>>>>>> click one or two times on each face
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you may need burn on shadows to put back some dulled out eyes or 
>>>>>>> lips
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>should not need to say but:
>>>>>>use "SAVE as"
>>>>>>or do this on a duplicate layer
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.  Now I need to choose between different techniques.
>>>>
>>>>Bob,
>>>>
>>>>If you would like to try another one ;)
>>>>
>>>>Duplicate your layer and set the mode to screen.
>>>>Apply a layer mask via the icon at bottom of layers pallete with the 
>>>>control
>>>>key depressed (this will give you a hide all mask and you will see the 
>>>>duped
>>>>layer effect dissapear)
>>>>You then paint with white on the black mask to reveal the parts of the 
>>>>image
>>>>you want lightened.
>>>>If the effect is to bright, you then reduce the opacity of the screen 
>>>>layer
>>>>to suit.
>>>>
>>>>MH
>>>>
>>> Mike, this is beyond my skill level.  Thanks.
>>
>> If you want to learn to swim you have to get wet.;)
>>
>> MH
>
>
> that is why I posted QUICK AND DIRTY method
> for noobs who do not know the GUI well and  rarely know how to use masks
>
> as for lost pixels who cares on a copy?? you care what the image looks 
> like printed or on the web not the pixel contents
> you want it to look good or be technically perfect??

KW
Which provides the greater learning experience?
MH

"Mike Hyndman" <mike@somewhere.somewhere.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:eo3jn5$hr4$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>
> "KatWoman" <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:udcph.1126$u8.521@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Mike Hyndman" <mike@somewhere.somewhere.co.uk> wrote in message 
>> news:eo3adn$5dd$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>>>
>>> "Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message 
>>> news:jh68q2hggaue3912i2tfqcgp0l9mm1gnmd@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:46:24 -0000, "Mike Hyndman" <tell me yours and
>>>> I'll send mine@suspisiousbastard.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:03l2q21pvgudnehel6f0jgd60j9ohhf44b@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:20:15 -0500, "KatWoman"
>>>>>> <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"KatWoman" <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:gAboh.23036$AY1.3075@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Fruit2O" <jz137xww@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:ldd0q21ujnac9fumi9upfoi78c1n71oa0t@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>>>>>>>>> there a method?.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK for quick and dirty I would do this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> select DODGE tool
>>>>>>>> 3-7% strength should do
>>>>>>>> midtones setting
>>>>>>>> large brush approx size of face -brush should have VERY soft edge
>>>>>>>> click one or two times on each face
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you may need burn on shadows to put back some dulled out eyes or 
>>>>>>>> lips
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>should not need to say but:
>>>>>>>use "SAVE as"
>>>>>>>or do this on a duplicate layer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.  Now I need to choose between different techniques.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bob,
>>>>>
>>>>>If you would like to try another one ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>Duplicate your layer and set the mode to screen.
>>>>>Apply a layer mask via the icon at bottom of layers pallete with the 
>>>>>control
>>>>>key depressed (this will give you a hide all mask and you will see the 
>>>>>duped
>>>>>layer effect dissapear)
>>>>>You then paint with white on the black mask to reveal the parts of the 
>>>>>image
>>>>>you want lightened.
>>>>>If the effect is to bright, you then reduce the opacity of the screen 
>>>>>layer
>>>>>to suit.
>>>>>
>>>>>MH
>>>>>
>>>> Mike, this is beyond my skill level.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> If you want to learn to swim you have to get wet.;)
>>>
>>> MH
>>
>>
>> that is why I posted QUICK AND DIRTY method
>> for noobs who do not know the GUI well and  rarely know how to use masks
>>
>> as for lost pixels who cares on a copy?? you care what the image looks 
>> like printed or on the web not the pixel contents
>> you want it to look good or be technically perfect??
>
> KW
> Which provides the greater learning experience?
> MH
>
either one if the OP didn't know it before then it's new info for him
he would learn a new technique or tools both ways

all this pixel saving means squat to amateurs who are going to print a 4x6 
at the CVS

not saying that was his goal
I do not know
just telling him how to fix it EASILY
you all gave very complex instructions
or he would have "got it" already
had he done my way it would be finished without all the posting of return 
questions
as he did not opt to try mine we cannot compare

"KatWoman" <XXXJoliePrincessKatanaXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:Fmcph.1163$u8.502@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Bill Hilton" <bhilton665@aol.com> wrote in message 
> news:1168448271.462303.327410@i56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> Fruit2O wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a group shot for which I want to lighten the faces only  Is
>>> there a method?.
>>
>> One more quick and easy way to do this (posted earlier but it never
>> appeared) ...
>>
>> With the file open do Layer - New - Layer and in the menu change 'mode'
>> to 'soft light' and then select the box for 'fill with
>> soft-light-neutral color (50% gray)' and click 'ok'.
>>
>> Nothing happens except you have a neutral layer, which doesn't affect
>> the image in 'soft light' mode.
>>
>> Now type 'd' to set the default foreground/background colors, select
>> the Brush tool with a soft edged brush somewhat smaller than a face,
>> with the 'opacity' set to about 10%.
>>
>> Now if you paint on the mask with black it will darken the area painted
>> and if you paint with white it will lighten it, which is what you want
>> to do.  So make white the foreground color and paint away on the faces.
>> At low opacity you'll need to make several strokes to get the effect
>> you wish.  If you make it too light just paint with black.
>>
>> Probably a good idea to make a new layer for every couple of faces.
>>
>> This is basically a better way to burn and dodge than the rather crude
>> Burn/Dodge tool.
>>
>> Bill
>
>
>
> what you call  "crudeness" of burn/dodge tools tells me you never worked 
> in the limitations of a real wet darkroom
> where you had little sticks and paper wands and had to use them quickly 
> before the print time was done
>
> it also tells me you do not know how to use those tools properly and 
> subtlety in PS
> they have very sensitive settings if you bother to change from 50% 
> defaults
> added to the fact you can affect only midtones highlights or shadows makes 
> this tool even more versatile
> and with no time limit and perfect control of areas you want to affect
> it is way superior to actual darkroom working of the dinosaur times
>
> well keep trying the hard way
> you will learn stuff even if it takes awhile
> levels is easier than curves




> but you will lose those oh so valuable pixels it you move the end ones 
> anyway
K,
Not if you use Adjustment layers ;)
BTW, your reply to me was removed from the server at my end.

Regards

Mike H 

> KatWoman wrote:
>
> what you call  "crudeness" of burn/dodge tools tells me you never
> worked in  the limitations of a real wet darkroom
> where you had little sticks and paper wands and had to use them
> quickly before the print time was done

Well, I had a black-white darkroom for years and studied printing with
Bruce Barnbaum, so dunno what to make of that little voice in your head
which "tells" you such things :)  It's lying to you ...

> it also tells me you do not know how to use those tools properly and
> subtlety in PS

For most operations there are simple ways to do it, like Burn/Dodge (or
your beloved Levels), and more subtle ones (like the 'soft light' blend
filled with neutral gray) that work better and give you more control if
you take a few moments to learn them.  I picked this trick up from the
book "Photoshop Artistry" by Barry Haynes and it's clearly better than
using B/D, and intuitively simple once you try it.

> well keep trying the hard way
> you will learn stuff even if it takes awhile

I'm still learning but I guess I've already learned a little since I'm
an "Adobe Certified Expert" in Photoshop.  You on the other hand seem
like a clueless beginner with a very bad attitude and an inferiority
complex.

Bill