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Started by Tim Shea - Sun BOS Software
Tue, 24 Jul 1990 22:12
Group Calendar Sharing
Author: Tim Shea - Sun BOS Software
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 1990 22:12
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 1990 22:12
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How essential is it for people to be able to see
inside (or manipulate) others' calendars? I would
argue "not very".
In my (informal) observations of people scheduling
meetings the biggest problem seems to be obvious:
finding the set of times when all (or most)
members are free to participate. People typically
don't care WHY others are busy so much as THAT they
are busy. So I don't need access to the possibly
sensitive information inside your calendar to schedule
a meeting with you; I only need to know when you are
free.
Suppose I can overlay my calendar (with busy times
blocked out in gray) over yours, which is marked in
the same way. I can easily identify when we are both
free (by looking for the "white space") without having
to know all the details of your life. I believe some
people at Apple presented this as a scenario at CHI
in Austin a couple of years ago. This successfully
skirts some of the privacy issues while providing most
of what people want in ordinary situations.
Another factor which seems very important, and
which those of us who spend much of our day at computers
tend to forget, is portability. One of the primary
times that people tend to schedule meetings is after
other meetings. So a solution which was portable would
have a significant advantage. We're seeing more of
solutions of this type in the form of pocket computers.
At Sun we have a group calendar system called "Calendar
Manager" which my group has been using for the last few
months. It allows you to control who may view your calendar,
who may add appointments, and who may delete appointments,
all along UNIX user/group/all permission lines. But my
experience has been that people tend not to modify
(or even read) other's calendars. Even when
they do look at another person's calendar, it's mostly
to see when they might be free (more than what they
are doing). So a simple graphical depiction of "busy"
times would provide most of what people needed without
having to worry about the privacy issues.
If you have a secretary who manages your calendar,
then more sophisticated/subtle permissions schemes such as
those being discussed in comp.groupware would seem more
appropriate. But how common is that scenario? Does
anyone have a feel for this?
Is this too simplistic a view? Do people have experience
with commercial group scheduling products which supports
or contradicts these suggestions? If so, I would appreciate
hearing about them.
--
Tim Shea Sun Microsystems (508) 671-0430
Boston Development Center shea@East.Sun.COM
Two Federal Street
Billerica, MA 01821
Re: Group Calendar Sharing
Author: Scott McGregor
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 1990 16:54
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 1990 16:54
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I thinkIn article <SHEA.90Jul24181213@edson.East.Sun.COM>,
shea@edson.East.Sun.COM (Tim Shea - Sun BOS Software) writes:
> How essential is it for people to be able to see
> inside (or manipulate) others' calendars? I would
> argue "not very".
This depends upon the local office culture. Reasons why it might be
important are the following:
1) announcements of events are come from multiple locations.
Is the reason this time period is already blocked out because
you are already scheduling yourself for the event in question?
2) reprioritizing. In some office cultures, ones superiors
reserve the right to re-prioritize which meetings you go to.
Examples might range from a manager deciding you should attend
a customer meeting instead of his normal staff meeting, to a
VP deciding that a meeting announcing upcoming layoffs should
take precedence over ALL other meetings on site. In the
latter case, they might well want to reschedule your time if
you were going to go to a staff meeting, but might not override
your schedule if you were going off-site to a Dr. appointment.
In some environments re-prioritizing of your time by a
superior without your permission is strongly looked down upon,
in other office cultures it is everyday life.
Note that this might mean that a variety of scheduling tools might be
more successful in the market than one that tries to please everyone
with compromises. The question is whether each market segment is
large and profitable enough to support such differentiation.
> In my (informal) observations of people scheduling
> meetings the biggest problem seems to be obvious:
> finding the set of times when all (or most)
> members are free to participate.
I believe that this IS the largest obvious problem. Another large
unobvious problem is that HOW you handle the scheduling/acknowldegment
process is very different for different individuals and office
cultures. Even in the case where there are grey bars and you don't
know what the time is scheduled for, what happens when you find an
open area. Can YOU the scheduler reserve that part? Or can you
merely request of the calendar owner that they reserve that part?
What sort of acknowledgment will you get if the owner does or does not
accept the proposed meeting? How will people feel about this?
Will they feel someone else has too much control over their life?
Will they feel that their employees have too much autonomy?
Will they feel that the methods are uncertain and inefficient?
All these sorts of questions affect acceptance of groupware products.
I believe that the biggest problem for scheduling systems is not the
privacy issue mentioned above, but rather one related to the portability
version mentioned below.
> Another factor which seems very important, and
> which those of us who spend much of our day at computers
> tend to forget, is portability. One of the primary
> times that people tend to schedule meetings is after
> other meetings. So a solution which was portable would
> have a significant advantage. We're seeing more of
> solutions of this type in the form of pocket computers.
But there is another side to this portability problem other than
just the technological component. Meeting scheduling is not
done equally by all individuals in many organizations. Commonly,
managers schedule more meetings, and employees attend them. The
convenience of the on line system is for the scheduler. The
inconvenience of keeping the on line version up to date is for the
attendees. If the inconvenience is sufficiently small enough
(as it might be with pocket computers that upload), then the economics
of the effort equation might balance sufficiently for acceptance. But
if the inconvenience factor is large (copying back and forth from
a paper calendar and constantly checking for surprise meetings) then
the system is likely to fail. In the latter case, schedulers (managers)
might even mandate regular use of the system in order to receive the
benefits. People might agree to comply, but unconciously, and unintentionally
they'll forget to keep calendars up to date a few times when they are busy.
They'll get reminded, they agree to use it, and this will be repeated,
without any form of intention disobediance. Eventually, schedulers will
conclude that they on-line data isn't accurate enough to meet their
needs and that further reminders to keep things up to date don't achieve
the goal. At that time the calendar system will fail. Estimated time
to recognition of failure will vary from group to group, but 9-15 months
would probably be typical. There might not even be a formal closure or
recognition of the failure of the computer tool, people would just slowly
revert to social tools to get things done.
> Is this too simplistic a view? Do people have experience
> with commercial group scheduling products which supports
> or contradicts these suggestions? If so, I would appreciate
> hearing about them.
There are several papers (see proceedings from CSCW'88 for instance)
that note the importance of economics of benefit and effort being
equally distributed. E-mail succeeds best in environments where
the people who receive a lot of mail also send a lot of mail. It
does worst where large number of people are only supposed to
receive mail and not to send mail to anyone other than their own
superior. This is another example where effort and benefits being
unequal have lead to lower acceptance.
Scott McGregor
mcgregor@atherton.com
Re: Group Calendar Sharing
Author: Buckaroo Banzai
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 1990 16:56
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 1990 16:56
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In article <27744@athertn.Atherton.COM> mcgregor@hemlock.Atherton.COM (Scott McGregor) writes: I thinkIn article <SHEA.90Jul24181213@edson.East.Sun.COM>, shea@edson.East.Sun.COM (Tim Shea - Sun BOS Software) writes: > How essential is it for people to be able to see > inside (or manipulate) others' calendars? I would argue "not very". This depends upon the local office culture. [...] I believe that the biggest problem for scheduling systems is not the privacy issue [...], but rather one related to the portability [...] Interesting anecdote time. This was told to me by one of my observation subjects, so take it as a friend-of-a-friend story (i.e. with grain of salt). In one particular office system, users could block out times on their calendar when they were unavailable for meetings. This could be due to other meetings, off-site activities, or just times you didn't want to be disturbed and so masked out on your calendar. People who wanted to schedule things could see when you were not available, but not why. One worker in this office consistently blocked out Noon to 1:30 PM. This became noticeable when the new boss, who liked to schedule lunchtime meetings, remarked on the worker's absence publicly. Well, to make a long story short, the worker was having a lunchtime affair and so was consistently, er, "unavailable" at lunchtime. The subject who related this story pointed out to me that even in a system (like this one) with strict privacy restrictions, having other people look at your calendar can sometimes say more than you want it to say. [For the record, I agree with Scott's assertion that the portability and data-quality problems are significant, probably moreso than privacy.] -- --Alan Wexelblat Bull Worldwide Information Systems internet: wex@pws.bull.com phone: (508) 294-7485 (new #) Usenet: spdcc.com!slug!wex "Zen is the essense of Christianity, of Buddhism, of culture, of all that is good in the daily life of ordinary people. But that does not mean we are not to smash it flat if we get the slightest opportunity."
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