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Re: Merry $*!@ing Christmas!

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From: Brandon S. Allbery
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1993 22:30
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In article <CHMB0z.ALE@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jeg7e@Hopper.ITC.Virginia.EDU (Jon Gefaell) says:
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| In article <2dv0af$kai@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
| Eric Bina <ebina@ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote:
| >This "pleasant" little news article is for all those out there who felt the need
| >to gripe and complain at the Mosaic for X authors for daring to use Motif in a
| >program they then gave away free.  If you are not one of these people, or
| >don't like harsh language, read no furthur.
| >
| >This note in no way reflects the opinions of NCSA, the U of I, or the Mosaic
| >developement team.  Just my personal little rant and rave.
| 
| In fact, this note DOES speak for NCSA and the Mosaic development team. Your
| savage, petulant and whiney posting gives great reason for concern over the
| status of the Mosaic project in fact. When you've grown up you'll realize that
| your outburst is highly innapropriate.
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There's also the point that there are two *different* discussions going on:

* about NCSA Mosaic using OSF/Motif, and
* about OSF/Motif licensing in general.

Several times I've seen NCSA folks jumping on people who are only addressing
the second point, as if it was targeted at NCSA Mosaic.  It's not.  NCSA can
do whatever it wants; the point remains that OSF/Motif 1.2.x's licensing is
considered A Bad Thing by quite a few people, who are looking for *some* way
out of it:  reimplementation, convincing OSF to change its licensing,
whatever.  This can be viewed as *another* expression of childishness on the
part of *some* people at NCSA.

****NOTE:  I don't consider those outbursts to be official statements of
****NOTE:  NCSA.  The official statement has already been posted, and I am
****NOTE:  not disputing it.

Unfortunately, the childishness is on both sides.  Which is normal for Usenet.
And does neither side any good.  The ones who aren't being childish are too
busy *doing* *something* *constructive* to post in these two threads....

++Brandon
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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Merry $*!@ing Christmas!
References: <2dv0af$kai@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <CHMB0z.ALE@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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