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Article #154Re: Tough! Quit griping! Was: Re: Don't use Motif for free sw: it now requires runtime royalties!
From: Piercarlo Grandi
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1993 01:48
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1993 01:48
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>>> On Tue, 30 Nov 1993 17:48:19 GMT, wolf@merlin.att.com (Thomas Wolf) >>> said: pcg> 1) There are complicated licensing issues that can cause problems pcg> to you or to us, and that reduce the potential for usefulness and pcg> widespread adoption of any free sw that depends on OSF/Motif. Thomas> If the free software is distributed in source form, I don't see Thomas> how these licensing issues could "cause problems" for the Thomas> developer of the application (unless the distributed source Thomas> included Motif headers or something.) Dear sir, perhaps it would be interesting to note that free sw authors make their sw free instead of proprietary sw they enjoy having their creations as widely used and distributed as possible. Given this rather reasonable assumption, many free sw authors would rather, if at all possible, avoid restricting usage of their sw only to those that have licensed a proprietary library. As of now a free sw author doing a Motif dependant program restricts the use of his program to those that have bought Motif in one way or another; distribution of binaries, which are a very convenient form of free sw distribution, and used to be possible without exceptions under 1.1.x, has become rather risky for all those involved. pcg> [ ... use some alternative to OSF/Motif; some even have, BTW, a pcg> Motif look&feel ... ] Thomas> But it's probably also unrealistic. I would venture to guess Thomas> that most of the free software out there is written by folks who Thomas> either already program professionally (developers) or hope to in Thomas> the future (students). These folks are very likely to be using Thomas> (or learning to use) Motif, simply because it's become the Thomas> "official" standard. In their SPARE time, these good souls are Thomas> willing to give back to the community by developing public Thomas> domain software. Frankly a lot of free sw authors, e.g. those in the US government, or many of those at Universities, develop free sw full time. Given this, and that in any case widespread adoption is a goal of many free sw authors, warning them that by using Motif they seriously restrict the popularity of their sw is useful. Making free sw depend on proprietary technology is something that should be avoided, if feasible. The ultimate judge of this is the author: to them to balance the various issues. (besides OSF/Motif is, according to many, a poorly done thing, and things like Tcl are also more interesting and a "better" learning experience). It is my concern that any prospective free sw author know the consequences of using OSF/Motif; since runtime binary royalties is a practice that has all but disappeared in recent years, I had myself not even imagined that OSF/Motif requires them in many/most cases. I was rather startled to learn of this, especially as this was introduced as of release 1.2.x; I had even misread the date for the release of 1.2.x as 93 instead of 92, when I looked it up, as I was under the misconception that this was a rather recent development. Some other people, who develop Motif applications routinely, were also startled, 18 months after to fact, to realize that OSF had changed their policy. So, I am not trying to make the free sw authors work harder for me; I am trying to make it very clear that if for whatever reason they choose Motif a significant segment of their potential audience will not enjoy their creations (until Notif is ready, if ever). To them the choice.
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