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"Angel" <transnation2k@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 11-Jul-2002, "Chad Myers" <cmyers@N0.S.P4.M.austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > From my limited experience with both, JBuilder might be the
> > better for a Java newbie. I think it can do a little more handholding.
> > You can grow into JBuilder. From my experience with Eclipse, it's
> > mainly for the professional, Java expert who has some decent experience.
> >
>
> I just downloaded the Trial version of it.  Jbuilder 7 Enterprise.
> I like it alot and it reminds me a little of MS InterDev sort of.
>
> I also tried Eclipse after installed the required addons to work
> and it was more of a editor that required Java knowledge already.
>
> I must say that I got so much shi* to learn for work in Java
> and very soon I will be forced to learn VB and VB Advance
> for college.

VB Advance? VB.NET?

>
> > I'm sure you could use both and be very happy, but to get started,
> > you might want to look closely at JBuilder.
> >
> > But since Eclipse is free, you might just fall in love with it =)
> >
> > BTW, I really liked jEdit (www.jedit.org). It's not really an "IDE",
> > per se, it's more of a glorified text editor, but it's great for
> > crankin' out serious Java code and it has a really great macro
> > environment, IMHO.
> >
>
> I hear people use emacs with plugins for the java modules and such
> but for me.  When I have to learn so much and do so many things
> besides programming I need something simpler to get the task done.

Well, for me, jEdit was like Emacs without all the head-keyboard
banging =)  Emacs for Java is not that great. Every time I've worked
with someone using Emacs for Java, the code they write is always
messed up. They can never get their indenting right and it hoses
it for everyone else. I've seen them using it too and it never
seems to get the syntax highlighting correctly.

And don't use Emacs for JSP. Christ. It had to reload the syntax
parser each time you move the cursor between HTML and scriptlets.
How annoying! I guess Emacs doesn't support having multiple
syntax highlighters for one document.

In the end, jEdit supports most or all of the features of Emacs
you could want for Java and it doesn't suck!

IMHO, sometimes IDEs can get in your way or even dumb you down
(because you don't know how some of the basic stuff works).

My advice would be to get an editor like jEdit which is
simple (and very-Windows-like in that you can pick up on
what's going on without having to read the docs much) and
allows you to learn Java without having to learn the IDE too.

-c

>
> There is no longer the days when you knew C++ or VB that you were
> set.  Today's work-force I noticed you have to know Java, VB, CORBA
> WebLogic, Db2, Oracle, SQL Server and such for the 50K a year; or
> maybe 60K.