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RjB wrote:
> 
> >Java is here to stay and is moving forward at a pace the Smalltalk
> >market can't even comprehend.  So quit whining about how Smalltalk can
> >do all the things Java can do.  No one cares about Smalltalk!
> >
> 
>         Aside from the flamebait, I'm just wondering if any
> systems have been built in Java of sizes approaching those built in
> Smalltalk.  Because, to my mind, it's really when you're
> programming-in-the-humungous that development systems prove
> themselves.
> 
>         -rj
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Systems the size of many large Smalltalk systems have not begun to be built in
Java. The guys at Sun will tell you its not ready for prime time yet. They would
like to deescalate the hype a little bit.

Java doesn't even have a modern garbage collector and its performance is
terrible, 10-30 times slower than C. Borland intends to fix this before year's end.

There is a benchmark in this month's Smalltalk Report showing how a Smalltalk
application can be tuned to run *faster* than C.

That said, there will be more compiler development going on in Java over the
next few years than any other language, so it will eventually get there.

I expect that many C++ programmers will begin to use Java as an application language
with C++ seamlessly interfaced as the object-oriented assembler, which is what it was
designed for in the first place.

The beauty of Java is that it is Smalltalk for C++ programmers. We need it.
-- 
Jeff Sutherland
mailto:jsutherland@vmark.com
http://www.tiac.net/users/jsuth/

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