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Article #315Re: BISON, GCC, and the GNU public license. (Re: increasing yacc states)
From: Mike (I'll think of something ye...
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1989 06:51
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1989 06:51
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In article <5207@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: <If I'm not a private hobbyist or a university, then what is the purpose of <writing this code? To make a profit off it, of course... either because it <provides a competitive advantage, or because the code (or some system for <which the code is part) is to be sold for profit. Peter, you mentioned in passing a category of software developers, but didn't really consider how the copyleft affects them. Since they are the largest single group of software developers, I think this should be fixed. The in passing reference "either because it provides a competitive advantage". In other words, the software is a tool that makes doing some part of a job easier or faster, and lowers the cost. Every place I've been employed has been in that category. Most of them realized this, and put all software into one of two categories: general tool, usefull to just about anybody; or specific to our business, usefull only to us and our competion. Most of them were reasonable enough to freely distribute stuff in the former category (after all, they'd gotten their money's worth; why not let others us it?). The stuff in the latter category they weren't going to let anyone have, no way, no how. Given that, copyleft doesn't affect them at all. The stuff they give away, they give away sources to, thus meeting the requirements. The stuff they don't let anyone have, they don't have to worry about the copyleft, because it only applies if they let someone else have it. <I'm not saying Stallman should give me GCC. Unlike him, I'm not going to deny <anyone profit (and he does profit from GCC... maybe not directly financially, <but it's only a Marxist fallacy that negotiable goods are the only form of <profit). I'm just explaining why I can't use it. Sorry, but copyleft doesn't deny you a profit on software. You're free to charge anyone whatever you want for copies. However, if the software is covered by copyleft, you must let them have source if they want it, and you can't prevent them from giving away binaries & source to people who haven't bought a copy from you. There are a number of ways to make a profit on copylefted material. The easiest is to use it to get a competitive edge, and never release copies to anyone. Others can be found by looking at what the shareware people are doing (no, I still don't condone shareware, but that doesn't prevent me from pointing out that you can use it's technics). The GNU General Public License isn't about profit or sales, it's about the right to give away neat tools to our friends. That's why the legalease talks about copying, and providing source, not about selling or money. If you can't see a way to make a profit in that situation, the failure in in your imagination, not in the License. <mike -- Tried to amend my carnivorous habits Mike Meyer Made it nearly seventy days mwm@berkeley.edu Loosing weight without speed ucbvax!mwm Eatin' sunflower seeds mwm@ucbjade.BITNET
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!iuvax!cica!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!agate!eris.berkeley.edu!mwm From: mwm@eris.berkeley.edu (Mike (I'll think of something yet) Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc Subject: Re: BISON, GCC, and the GNU public license. (Re: increasing yacc states) Message-ID: <26609@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: 24 Jul 89 06:51:53 GMT References: <Jul.5.09.29.33.1989.23541@topaz.rutgers.edu> <26@ark1.nswc.navy.mil> <23837@santra.UUCP> <5207@ficc.uu.net> Sender: usenet@agate.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: mwm@eris.berkeley.edu (Mike (I'll think of something yet) Meyer) Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica Lines: 58