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Article #2619Re: Report on defect in M2 vs C (Was Modula-2, Modula-3, C or C++)
From: Viet-Trung Luu
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:49
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:49
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On 10 Oct 1995, Stephen E. Halpin wrote: > Getting back to reality, Ive seen very complex systems built with no error > detection capability, and when a problem occurs with a frequency of once a > week, its a nightmare to debug. If the application traps the error, and > leaves behind a fairly detailed image of its state when the error occured, > you can save literally weeks of debug time. Core dump?!? Nah... Of course, all complex systems are hard to debug -- and with interaction with other software (e.g., the OS), and even the hardware, intermittent bugs become nearly impossible to debug. I guess that I have to agree that runtime checking helps a lot, but it doesn't do everything (sometimes -- often -- speed is more critical). > There is also a data recovery issue that falls out of a data verification > philosophy.. We had a document written with a very popular Word processor, > and due to some kind of bug, that application was no longer able to read > the file it had written. Worse, it would outright crash rather than report > an error, and (what would be most desirable) give you what it was able to > read of the file so it could be transcribed to another file. Hmmm... but would a "Runtime error 2354" be any better? In any case, you're at the mercy of the software vendor to fix the bug. (What can I say about bad software that crashes upon reading a corruped file? It's just plain *bad*.) > Agreed. But it can tell you that something went wrong, which is almost > always better than trusting the results blindly. I still here about how > parity errors never happen, and yet I still see them from time to time. > Id rather have to reenter a few numbers in the financials spreadsheet > than have to find out three weeks later that somethings wrong, and figure > out which bit got flipped. It still doesnt help with coding errors (ie > the lore of the space probe and DO2I...) You must have a lot of memory! (From my experience, parity errors are more often due to some intermittent hardware problem, such as some sort of conflict that only manifests itself once in a long while.) - Trung
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.modula2,comp.lang.modula3,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.ada Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!lagrange.uwaterloo.ca!vluu From: Viet-Trung Luu <vluu@lagrange.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Re: Report on defect in M2 vs C (Was Modula-2, Modula-3, C or C++) Sender: news@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (news spool owner) Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951013030244.27595B-100000-100000@lagrange.uwaterloo.ca> In-Reply-To: <45ereq$t6o@regina.seh.codem.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:49:04 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Nntp-Posting-Host: lagrange.uwaterloo.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: University of Waterloo