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        sarin!mail eric   (Date 08/24)
The job will be deleted in several days if the problem is not corrected.
If you care to kill the job, execute the following command:

        uustat -ksarinN0f3c

        Sincerely,
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We have been unable to contact machine 'sarin' since you queued your job.

        sarin!mail eric   (Date 08/21)
The job will be deleted in several days if the problem is not corrected.
If you care to kill the job, execute the following command:

        uustat -ksarinN0f02

        Sincerely,
        wb3ffv!uucp

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From: Ken Badertscher <rutgers!uunet.uu.net!kbad>
Subject:      Re: C vs. M2
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in article <49@volition.dec.com>, vixie@decwrl.dec.com (Paul Vixie) says:
> Yes, it's true, a good compiler will find the best way no matter how you
> say it.  But again, appearance gets my vote:
>
>       foo[i]->bar.size += newsize;
> vs.
>       foo[i].bar.count = foo[i].bar.count + newsize;
>
> I get to say what I mean.  Yes, I know about INCR, but this is only one case.

  Don't forget WITH!

        WITH foo[i].bar DO
                count = count + newsize
        END;

  Or even, since you mentioned it,

        WITH foo[i].bar DO INC(count,newsize) END;

  And to jump into the middle of the discussion, all I really have to add
is that Modula-2 "feels" a lot nicer to me.  The verbosity doesn't bother
me, as someone said, I find myself being more eloquent with the more
eloquent language.  I do think it is valid to compare the languages,
but many of the discussions I've ever read end up haggling over natty
details like case sensitivity and amount of typing (hmm... unintended
double entendre there, I initially meant "number of keystrokes", but
"strict type checking" applies as well ;-).
  I spent my software engineering "apprenticeship" helping build a set of
libraries for a Modula-2 environment, and I now find myself doing most
of my programming in C (not by choice, I assure you).  I miss the comforts
of strong type checking and DEFINITION MODULEs, and the rest.  Some find
it oppressive, I find it helpful.  And the bigger the program, the more
helpful it is, in my experience.

--
 Ken Badertscher                 | Hey, umm, the stuff I said up there
 Atari R&D Software Test/Support | is, like, what _I_ think, okay?
 {portal,ames,imagen}!atari!kbad | So, y'know, don't bug Atari about it.