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uli%decum.enet.dec.com@USENET.ZER wrote on Thu, 08-20-1992 at 14:05 h
under the subject 'Re: Is Modula-2 dead?':

> I think neither Pascal nor Modula(-2) was ever "alive" in YOUR sense.
> In Germany I know of only two (small) companies using Modula-2 in some extent.
> C++?

I know of several small and large companies using Modula-2 :-)

> In your sense it's dead; but consider Oberon-2, up to now Wirth's latest baby.
                                                                           ^^^^
> I hope THIS language will make it's way into "...the real world",
> since it is small & beautiful, clear & concise, ......, all in all,
> it's not a stillborn child of some "WG...".
                                      ^^^^^
Oberon-2 is no way out of the dilemma that Modula-2 did not get the attention
it ought to. Although I'm a friend of Oberon-2 too (we've written a back-end
for VAX/VMS for the front-end of Crelier's OP2), there is almost no 
interest in Oberon-2 in the real world. 

Because I thought that is because we chose the wrong target platform, 
I recently inquired at ETH-Zuerich to find out what their experiences are 
with the acceptance with Oberon[-2]. 

Answer: There is currently *no* interest in Oberon[-2] from industry. 
Only Universities, research institutes
and recreational programmers (hobbiest) show some interest in Oberon.

Maybe the O2-baby has to grow up fisrt by going through some standardisation
process?

Do you know exactly what the "WG..." (I assume you mean sc22.wg13) has done
during the past 7 years? What's your problem with ISO Modula-2? The IS may take
another 18 months, but we can take advantage of the Standardisation work
today. How?

The main arguments against M2 was always "There is no standardised
library!" The ISO M2 Std Lib for example can be used today in Modula-2 (and
we do that in Oberon-2 too) of course. You don't need to wait for
the IS. You need not wait for an ISO M2 compiler. 
You can write portable programs in M2 today! You can't? 

Greetings,

Guenter Dotzel
ModulaWare GmbH, Wilhelmstr. 17A, D-W 8520 Erlangen/F.R.Germany
Modula-2 & Oberon-2 Compiler Manufactur (VAX/VMS, OS/2 and Unix-Platforms)
Tel. +49 (9131) 208395, Fax +49 (9131) 28205.
E-mail/Internet: 100023.2527@compuserve.com OR g_dotzel@ame.nbg.sub.org