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Started by Mark Thomsen
Tue, 15 Sep 1987 00:48
Modula-2 On Suns; A Search
Author: Mark Thomsen
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1987 00:48
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1987 00:48
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The network is a new experience for me, and after catching up on what you guys have been talking about I think you may be able to help. We have been using Modula-2 for 3 years in various systems development activities with great success. Most of the work has been using Lilith-Vectras (a variant of the Modula Corporation Lilith-PC) for the development environment and an MC68020/VME arrangement as the target. We have plugged in new disks, AP's, and other special hardware with relative ease. It is designed for multi- processing as well. We are now turning to make this more useable for others and are faced with some new issues. First, the Lilith-Vectra should be replaced with a machine more similar to the target - like a Sun. Then, we would like to take some of the R&D work into a workstation for image processing. Again, the Sun looks like a decent approach (more MC68020 & VME stuff). And we would really like to stick with Modula-2. My question is, what is the status of the Modula-2 compiler's on the Sun? I know of Sun's and Djaverhi (sp??) products to some extent, but we have not kept up with the latest and greatest. What are the compiers available and has anyone some recommendations on what is good? Especially of interest would be an arrangement where we can scrape off Unix for a target machine to run our own real-time O/S written in Modula-2. Also, is there a Modula-2 for the new Sun 4/SPARC setup? Thanks in advance. Mark R. Thomsen Data Systems Laboratory, TRW Redondo Beach, CA
Re: Modula-2 On Suns; A Search
Author: Samuel B. Bassett
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1987 07:30
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1987 07:30
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The guy you want to talk to is Chuck Bilbe, SUN's Modula-2 Project
Leader. You can reach him at SUN's public telephone number, or via the net
at cbilbe@sun.com.
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Re: Modula-2 On Suns; A Search
Author: Alan Lovejoy
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1987 13:50
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1987 13:50
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In article <412@trwspf.TRW.COM> thomsen@trwspf.UUCP (Mark Thomsen) writes: >My question is, what is the status of the Modula-2 compiler's on the Sun? I >know of Sun's and Djaverhi (sp??) products to some extent, but we have not >kept up with the latest and greatest. What are the compiers available and has >anyone some recommendations on what is good? Especially of interest would >be an arrangement where we can scrape off Unix for a target machine to run our >own real-time O/S written in Modula-2. Also, is there a Modula-2 for the >new Sun 4/SPARC setup? I strongly recommend you do a *thorough* test drive of the Djavaherri and/or Sun Modula-2 compilers before committing yourself to them. I haven't used these products for more than a year, but the last time I did... Happily, I know of another compiler for UNIX V/m680x0 machines. This compiler implements a very rich version of the language, and has an absolutely *awesome* code generator/optimizer. It's marketed by Masthaven, in England. Unhappily, the blurb they sent me is on loan to a friend, so I can't quote an address. (I know, if all I have is a blurb, how do I know so much about it? Because I have the compiler. That is, I have a *sibling* of the compiler, which is about 99.9% the same as the one Masthaven is selling, but not for UNIX, and not sold by Masthaven). There is of course the problem that SunOS is not UNIX V, exactly. Will the compiler run on a Sun? Don't know. Perhaps a Macintosh II with A/UX would run it. Since I'm planning to get a Mac II, I'm going to have to check this out eventually as well. The compiler has CARDINAL(16 bits), LONGCARD(32 bits), SHORTCARD(8 bits), INTEGER(16 bits), LONGINT(32 bits), SHORTINT(8 bits), CHAR, BOOLEAN, REAL(32 bits), LONGREAL(64 bits), ADDRESS, WORD (16 bits), SET OF (any scalar range up to 32767) and correctly sees 'a' as either a CHAR or an ARRAY [0..0] OF CHAR. It allows CAP, VAL, ORD, SIZE, TSIZE, etc., to be used in ConstExpressions, even in a CONST statement. It supports FIRST and LAST (which Wirth called MIN and MAX in PIM2v3). Machine code can be inserted in-line using what are called 'code procedures': PROCEDURE Move(from: ADDRESS; size: LONGCARD; to: ADDRESS); CODE 0341H; 0008H; ... END Move; The compiler generates the code for pushing the actuall arguments on the stack when a code procedure is called. It is up to you to remove them using the right machine code. The compiler also supports conditional compilation, romable code, dynamic linking, 3 different ways of referencing objects external to a module which can be independently selected for code and data objects, 3 levels of optimization which can be targeted at seven different mixes between speed and space optimization.... You get the idea (there's more...). --alan@pdn
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