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Article #31Do you want free objects from FSF?
From: Geoffrey S Knauth
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:23
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:23
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[already posted to: comp.sys.next.misc,gnu.misc.discuss] Would you like to see free objects, libraries, palettes, toolkits, etc., from the Free Software Foundation? My question springs from the following personal observations: - GNU and the FSF have given the world some superb code that is freely distributable - good free software begets more free software - Objective-C has not taken the world by storm outside the NeXT community, but people are curious - the small size of the NeXT marketplace means that prices for commercial objects tend to be high - friends have talked about this for years - NeXT obviously cares, if they want an Object Catalog - I've seen very big companies admire NeXTstep, and then dismiss it because it appears to sit in a niche market - NeXT's many toolkits are proof that creative minds can do amazing things, but we, the consumers, have just not done enough producing (except for a few isolated geniuses and workaholics the net knows well), at least not enough to impress those outside the NeXT community I asked Richard Stallman what he thought. He said that this (free objects) is the purpose of libg++. He said that the suggested Free Object Foundation, if you will, would never happen unless I, or another, or many others, actually took charge and did the work. He also said that if we, the community, did make it happen, the FSF would be happy to include our works in its offerings. What do you, the community, think? Are commercial developers threatened by free software? What do our most successful NeXTstep developers think? Can we write software at least as good as GNU's, or NeXT's? Would this develop enough momentum to make a difference? Are current commercial offerings and the object catalog enough? Would we model objects on Smalltalk? Would we reinvent the Appkit? Do we only complement the Appkit? Can we create objects that don't depend on each other too much? I think we can appreciate what a free object world might be like, with its advantages and drawbacks, if we can imagine it is 1989 again, and we see NeXTstep's source code on every NeXT computer (rms would probably say, "any computer.") I'm not suggesting NeXT release their treasure--it would be financial and ideological suicide--but I am asking the community, "What are we adding to the value NeXT provides us? Will it be enough? Could it possibly be that we, or NeXT, want NeXT to be the only true provider? If so, what have we learned? If not, when will we act?" -- Geoffrey S. Knauth, Marble Associates, Inc. Member BCS-NeXT, LPF gsk@marble.com, (617) 891-5555 work, (617) 547-5247 home Standard Disclaimers
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!ogicse!decwrl!world!gsk From: gsk@world.std.com (Geoffrey S Knauth) Newsgroups: comp.lang.objective-c Subject: Do you want free objects from FSF? Summary: Do you want free objects from FSF? Keywords: gnu objective-c free fsf Message-ID: <Bt8ABw.K1J@world.std.com> Date: 19 Aug 92 11:23:55 GMT Article-I.D.: world.Bt8ABw.K1J Sender: gsk@marble.com Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 55