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On Aug 20, 12:19 pm, gnuist...@gmail.com wrote:
> Is there a Delphi equivalent in the C world or Scheme/LISP world ?
>
> Recently, Delphi is in resurgence. In Russia people are using like
> crazy. For example, Bolega has written a free image processing program
> scankromsator in delphi because its easy to write a gui. In arabia
> people are using it also.
>
> Also delphi, I heard delphi allows visual programming and delphi
> programs run on:
>
> linux
> win2k
> winxp
> vista
>
> I heard that its a lot easier than MFC, and C# and so on.
>
> The only think I worried is the PASCALISH syntax. Can any of you tell
> me if there is an alternative in C world and the pros and cons because
> I am used to C syntax.
>
> Gnuist

First, this newsgroup is not for C or Scheme.  FWIW, there are a great
many C++ IDE builders that attempt to allow rapid GUI application
creation - a 'net search engine should quickly turn up matches.
Lastly, I think you'll find the differences between C and Pascal are
mainly cosmentic - if Delphi is what you want functionally I suggest
you use it.

Tony

<gnuist006@gmail.com> wrote in message news:15735381-ff5d-42d9-ab98-50b79ef4774b@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> Is there a Delphi equivalent in the C world or Scheme/LISP world ?
> 
> Recently, Delphi is in resurgence. In Russia people are using like
> crazy. For example, Bolega has written a free image processing program
> scankromsator in delphi because its easy to write a gui. In arabia
> people are using it also.
> 
> Also delphi, I heard delphi allows visual programming and delphi
> programs run on:
> 
> linux
> win2k
> winxp
> vista
> 
> I heard that its a lot easier than MFC, and C# and so on.
> 
> The only think I worried is the PASCALISH syntax. Can any of you tell
> me if there is an alternative in C world and the pros and cons because
> I am used to C syntax.

I'm not sure about the names. Borland created another product C++ Builder,
with a similar functionality as Delphi, but using C++ instead of Pascal.
In the latest release, I think, they integrated the two product and
now use the name Delphi for the combination of the two.

gnuist006@gmail.com schrieb:
> Is there a Delphi equivalent in the C world or Scheme/LISP world ?

Depends on what exactly you want to be equivalent, and what you want to 
be C/Scheme/Lisp proprietary.

> Recently, Delphi is in resurgence. In Russia people are using like
> crazy.

They have special conditions, for using Delphi in education (schools, 
universities...).

> Also delphi, I heard delphi allows visual programming and delphi
> programs run on:
> 
> linux
> win2k
> winxp
> vista

Delphi programs can run on many more platforms, when the FreePascal 
compiler is used for the final build.

> I heard that its a lot easier than MFC, and C# and so on.

Most GUI development environments are based on specific graphics 
libraries. The Delphi VCL (Visual Component Library) was developed for 
Windows GDI, then converted into CLX (AFAIR based on Qt), and FreePascal 
has implemented a true platform independent FCL (Free Component 
Library), that is fully compatible with the VCL. The whole VCL/FCL is 
written in Delphi (OPL), so that it can be used only with compilers that 
can use the Delphi object model. The RAD Studio, now sold by 
Embarcadero, includes such compilers for Delphi, Delphi.NET, C++ and C#, 
where for C# the VCL has been ported to .NET, so that it also can be 
used with every .NET language.

I dunno whether the VCL really is easier to use than any equivalent 
library, but when I see that the VCL (as FCL) can be used with many 
graphical environments, it seems to be a very good, portable and IMO 
really easily usable library. In most cases it's sufficient to drop VCL 
components on a form, set their properties, add event handlers, and 
you're done with the whole GUI. There exist various extensions of the 
VCL, where you can find readily usable components for almost every task.

> The only think I worried is the PASCALISH syntax. Can any of you tell
> me if there is an alternative in C world and the pros and cons because
> I am used to C syntax.

Then I suggest that you use the RAD Studio, where you can use the VCL 
also with C/C++/C# code. Or get an old Borland C++ Builder, or a newer 
C++ personality of BDS, which allow to use the VCL with C++. I've been 
using C and C++ in former times, amongst many other languages, but since 
I came across Delphi, now I write everything in Delphi myself, and only 
"package" existing C code for use in my Delphi code.

DoDi

On Aug 19, 10:41 pm, tony_in_da...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On Aug 20, 12:19 pm, gnuist...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Is there aDelphiequivalent in the C world or Scheme/LISP world ?
>
> > Recently,Delphiis in resurgence. In Russia people are using like
> > crazy. For example, Bolega has written a free image processing program
> > scankromsator indelphibecause its easy to write a gui. In arabia
> > people are using it also.
>
> > Alsodelphi, I hearddelphiallows visual programming anddelphi
> > programs run on:
>
> > linux
> > win2k
> > winxp
> > vista
>
> > I heard that its a lot easier than MFC, and C# and so on.
>
> > The only think I worried is the PASCALISH syntax. Can any of you tell
> > me if there is an alternative in C world and the pros and cons because
> > I am used to C syntax.
>
> > Gnuist
>
> First, this newsgroup is not for C or Scheme.  FWIW, there are a great
> many C++ IDE builders that attempt to allow rapid GUI application
> creation - a 'net search engine should quickly turn up matches.
> Lastly, I think you'll find the differences between C and Pascal are
> mainly cosmentic - ifDelphiis what you want functionally I suggest
> you use it.
>
> Tony- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Basically, I have never had need to build guis and now I would like to
build guis for windows and possibly linux also. I dont want to
duplicate
my effort and be caught in the intricacies of programming but to do
the
job fast.

On Aug 20, 9:08 am, Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettri...@aol.com> wrote:
> gnuist...@gmail.com schrieb:
>
> > Is there aDelphiequivalent in the C world or Scheme/LISP world ?
>
> Depends on what exactly you want to be equivalent, and what you want to
> be C/Scheme/Lisp proprietary.
>
> > Recently,Delphiis in resurgence. In Russia people are using like
> > crazy.
>
> They have special conditions, for usingDelphiin education (schools,
> universities...).
>
> > Alsodelphi, I hearddelphiallows visual programming anddelphi
> > programs run on:
>
> > linux
> > win2k
> > winxp
> > vista
>
> Delphiprograms can run on many more platforms, when the FreePascal
> compiler is used for the final build.
>
> > I heard that its a lot easier than MFC, and C# and so on.

This was a nice reply where you tried to explain some special aspects
of delphi
based on the techniques of compiling and cross compiling them.
Therefore I have
confidence that this explanation can be expanded a little and made
more lucid
for a newbie like me by putting in more details into a single self-
contained
account.

> Most GUI development environments are based on specific graphics
> libraries. TheDelphiVCL (Visual Component Library) was developed for
> Windows GDI, then converted into CLX (AFAIR based on Qt), and FreePascal
> has implemented a true platform independent FCL (Free Component
> Library), that is fully compatible with the VCL. The whole VCL/FCL is
> written inDelphi(OPL), so that it can be used only with compilers that
> can use theDelphiobject model. The RAD Studio, now sold by
> Embarcadero, includes such compilers forDelphi,Delphi.NET, C++ and C#,
> where for C# the VCL has been ported to .NET, so that it also can be
> used with every .NET language.

I am surprised that C/C++/C# people and gnu people have not done this
since even
unix and X windows are written in these languages and also the
microsoft
windows.

> I dunno whether the VCL really is easier to use than any equivalent
> library, but when I see that the VCL (as FCL) can be used with many
> graphical environments, it seems to be a very good, portable and IMO
> really easily usable library. In most cases it's sufficient to drop VCL
> components on a form, set their properties, add event handlers, and
> you're done with the whole GUI. There exist various extensions of the
> VCL, where you can find readily usable components for almost every task.
>
> > The only think I worried is the PASCALISH syntax. Can any of you tell
> > me if there is an alternative in C world and the pros and cons because
> > I am used to C syntax.
>
> Then I suggest that you use the RAD Studio, where you can use the VCL
> also with C/C++/C# code. Or get an old Borland C++ Builder, or a newer
> C++ personality of BDS, which allow to use the VCL with C++. I've been
> using C and C++ in former times, amongst many other languages,

> but since
> I came acrossDelphi, now I write everything inDelphimyself, and only
> "package" existing C code for use in myDelphicode.

How do you call or package C code inside delphi ?

What is the best book to read for a newbie on delphi and what is the
software needed to practice as you read ? This would help me a lot
since
i have to learn by myself. I also dont know if any schools in the US
teach programming via delphi. All I ever heard was scheme and python
these days.

Anyone please tell me a little more about pros and cons. I appreciate
your
help a lot.

Gnuist

On Aug 19, 8:19 pm, gnuist...@gmail.com wrote:
> Is there aDelphiequivalent in the C world or Scheme/LISP world ?
>
> Recently,Delphiis in resurgence. In Russia people are using like
> crazy. For example, Bolega has written a free image processing program
> scankromsator indelphibecause its easy to write a gui. In arabia
> people are using it also.
>
> Alsodelphi, I hearddelphiallows visual programming anddelphi
> programs run on:
>
> linux
> win2k
> winxp
> vista
>
> I heard that its a lot easier than MFC, and C# and so on.
>
> The only think I worried is the PASCALISH syntax. Can any of you tell
> me if there is an alternative in C world and the pros and cons because
> I am used to C syntax.
>
> Gnuist

What are good books, sites, and newsgroups for delphi and delphi type
of
programming and transitioning back to Pascal from C. Is it
regressing ?

Which language is more readable, Pascal or C ?

gnuist006@gmail.com writes:

> Which language is more readable, Pascal or C ?

Whichever one you know better.

sherm--

-- 
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gnuist006@gmail.com schrieb:

> This was a nice reply where you tried to explain some special aspects
> of delphi
> based on the techniques of compiling and cross compiling them.
> Therefore I have
> confidence that this explanation can be expanded a little and made
> more lucid
> for a newbie like me by putting in more details into a single self-
> contained
> account.

So much more could be said, depending on what exactly you want to do.

>> Most GUI development environments are based on specific graphics
>> libraries. TheDelphiVCL (Visual Component Library) was developed for
>> Windows GDI, then converted into CLX (AFAIR based on Qt), and FreePascal
>> has implemented a true platform independent FCL (Free Component
>> Library), that is fully compatible with the VCL. The whole VCL/FCL is
>> written inDelphi(OPL), so that it can be used only with compilers that
>> can use theDelphiobject model. The RAD Studio, now sold by
>> Embarcadero, includes such compilers forDelphi,Delphi.NET, C++ and C#,
>> where for C# the VCL has been ported to .NET, so that it also can be
>> used with every .NET language.
> 
> I am surprised that C/C++/C# people and gnu people have not done this
> since even
> unix and X windows are written in these languages and also the
> microsoft
> windows.

Most companies and GNU groups concentrate on their own goals, and do not 
cooperate much with each other. The .NET approach lacks compatibility 
with existing code and languages, and the users have to follow every 
change in the proprietary Microsoft libraries. The GNU activities 
traditionally solve portability problems by adding tools, like automake, 
that introduce new problems, which have to be fixed by even more tools. 
When I asked them for cooperation in the design and implementation of a 
new model, for managing and building platform independent libraries and 
programs, the only answer was "make it work yourself, then we'll 
see...". The consequence is, that more and more people use interpreted 
languages in the POSIX world, where only the interpreter has to be 
ported once to every platform.


>> but since
>> I came acrossDelphi, now I write everything inDelphimyself, and only
>> "package" existing C code for use in myDelphicode.
> 
> How do you call or package C code inside delphi ?

Delphi has a package concept, similar to the .NET assemblies, that 
allows to make and use packages regardless of programming languages. 
Well, not really *all* languages, but all those that can use external 
binary libraries (*.DLL, *.so).

Thus making a package is not very different from making a DLL. And like 
in making an ActiveX DLL, you have to #include the according header 
files in your C code, to make sure that the package itself, and all 
users of that package, will use the very same type definitions and 
runtime library. Of course C and Delphi have different opinions, about 
how a "header" file should look like. Therefore tools exist to convert C 
header files from or into Delphi interface units, which may be invoked 
automatically in a newer IDE. Note that IDE stands for Integrated 
Development Environment, which integrates compilers for multiple 
languages, and knows how to make accessible modules of one language in 
the other languages :-)


> What is the best book to read for a newbie on delphi and what is the
> software needed to practice as you read ? This would help me a lot
> since
> i have to learn by myself.

I cannot suggest any current literature, because I had to buy my last 
book many years ago.

> I also dont know if any schools in the US
> teach programming via delphi. All I ever heard was scheme and python
> these days.

As mentioned above, only few languages are so platform independent that 
they can be used in teaching programming in general. As a Windows user, 
you may not have noticed that you'll have to tweak your C code for use 
on every other platform. Teaching C effectively means teaching "how to 
use C on platform XYZ", and that's why platform independent languages 
are preferred in education.

Even if Delphi currently is bound to Windows, I've emphasized the easy 
use of Delphi code on many other platforms, by simply using the 
FreePascal compiler. Did you know that FPC can cross-compile your 
Windows programs even for exotic machines, like ole Amiga or Atari?

DoDi

> > What is the best book to read for a newbie ondelphiand what is the
> > software needed to practice as you read ? This would help me a lot
> > since
> > i have to learn by myself.
>
> I cannot suggest any current literature, because I had to buy my last
> book many years ago.

Just tell me the good book, current or out of print, i dont care. but
it got to be a good one, so if necessary, i may photocopy after
getting permission from publisher.

Take a look at this site:
http://www.delphibasics.co.uk/

It has good colors but I cant understand my first program in detail. I
hated the same thing about java 10yrs ago i took got A and forgot coz
i never used again. now i have to write programs and learn delphi. Are
there any better sites for learning till the book arrives ?

gnuist006@gmail.com schrieb:

> Take a look at this site:
> http://www.delphibasics.co.uk/
> 
> It has good colors but I cant understand my first program in detail.

If you mean the "first program" sample, the only line of "your" program 
sits in the Button1Click procedure. That procedure, and all the other 
stuff in the TForm1 class, is managed and updated by the IDE. Don't 
worry about it, for now.

BTW, you should have some Delphi version running, so that you can 
explore everything yourself. If not, get Lazarus 
<www.lazarus.freepascal.org> for an free Delphi clone, with very similar 
behaviour.

When you never wrote a GUI program yourself, you may wonder how and when 
any of the procedures are ever called. Then open the Object Inspector, 
select one of the components on your form, and look at the Events page 
of that component. For every user action, on a menu, button or other 
control, you can create an event handler procedure, that is invoked when 
the user clicks on the component, or does something else with it. In the 
Button1 event properties, you'll find Button1Click attached to the 
OnClick event. You can remove that relationship, by simply erasing the 
text in that field. Enter an different name, and upon hitting Enter the 
IDE will create the skeleton for your new event handler, in the unit of 
your form. If you want to use another, already existing event handler, 
select it from the drop-down list of the event property. When that list 
is empty, no handler with the required signature (parameters...) exists 
in your code.

DoDi