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Really so humanity is in still in it's kill everyone phase.  Interesting since
Communism collapsed, and recently there have been more movements toward peace
instead of war.  For instance NATO is now getting more countries from the
Eastern Block to sign up.  China just recently had a visit from President
Clinton.  The only threats to peace now (aside from terrorists, etc.) is the
Pakistan vs. India showdown (both countries with nukes who dislike each other)
and the conflict of China vs. Taiwan (China says it's a rebel district of China
and Taiwan says it is it's own nation.).  Anything I miss?  Oh as for the Hitler
Story, well power is what you make of it.  One can use it for bad things and
another can use it for good things.  You see you keep talking about Genetic
technology (specifically cloning) is such a deadly power, what about nuclear
power?? I mean Nuclear technology can be devastating.  Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
remember the Manhattan Project??  And where are we today? With NUCLEAR reactors
powering our cities.  So homecome we can't say the same about genetic
technology.  Maybe 50 years from now, genetics is used everyday to SAVE people
from all kinds of problems.  Burn victims, victims of ogran failure, victims of
chronic illnesses could be saved and restored to tip top condition.  So instead
of being so negative try to lighten up.  There are several good reasons why
genetic technology should be developed more.

Firestarter wrote:

> where are you disagreeing with me?
> you have summed up everything ive already said,the hitler story was an
> egsample of how power can fall in the wrong hands,i wasnt hinting for a
> moment that he actually had cloneing technology.
> and when you look into the history you tend to see alot of negative
> things,sure their are good things,but its important to think that cloneing
> can be used for bad things too,considering we dont seem to be coming out of
> our destructive: kill everyone phase
> it is worth thinking about.
>
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> Nobody wrote in message <6piur3$661@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
> >So just because you and I think it is wrong, does it stop anyone from
> conducting
> >the research??  If one is determined and has the resources they can easily
> do
> >it.  Besides, must you look at the worst case scenarios?  Through genetics
> many
> >advances have been made to AID humankind.  Take for instance common plants
> that
> >grow medicine that you can I use.  Cows that make certain types of milk for
> >people with medical alliments to drink.  And what about crops that produce
> more
> >food per acre?  Geez look on the bright side of things.  Oh and all this
> talk
> >about giving power to a baby... well you're right genetic power is
> something
> >more deadly than anything else.  Biological weapons are indeed more deadly
> than
> >nuclear weapons.  The problem is that the risks out wiegh any possible
> gains
> >that one could have in using genetics to create a weapon.  The risk of that
> >biological weapon to go wrong and backfire is too high.  And finally all
> this
> >talk about Hitler.  Ok if and I do mean if, Hitler had the capability of
> cloning
> >then everyone else would too.  It would come down to a battle of who had
> the
> >most resources.  Just a little history for you.  Hitler relied on a quick
> >decisive war.  Swift and stunning.  Germany never had the resources to pull
> a
> >long war. Just like back in the American Civil War. The South could never
> had
> >fought a long war. If anything, the South need a quick war.  And that is
> why in
> >both cases, those sides lost.  Of course there were other factors, but I
> really
> >don't have the time nor the energy to go into that.
> >
> >Firestarter wrote:
> >
> >> that stuff about using cloneing for medical reasons is all very good but
> can
> >> you imagine the bad things that can be done?
> >> think what hitler would do if he had that capability?
> >> millions and millions of the perfect fighter!
> >> then theirs the moral aspect but this dosent matter because its going to
> be
> >> done anyway,its like giving a child a toy and telling him he cant use it.
> >> mabye its been done already?,the fact is nobody knows!
> >> i saw a program a while back about a guy who wanted to clone humans,he
> wasnt
> >> allowed by the goverment,but in texas it is still legal,he said he would
> >> move his research to texas and do it their if he had to and was not
> giving
> >> up.
> >>
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> >> Nobody wrote in message <6pgq6h$lvm@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
> >> >I agree completely. Just like the research in non-lethal weapons.
> >> Ultrasonic,
> >> >Vortex, and Laser research done my our government is very important.  As
> >> for
> >> >corporations doing research like this, well it all depends on the
> >> corporation.  I
> >> >mean if a corporation where to research genetics and cloning, I sure
> they
> >> could get
> >> >a lot of profit.  I mean useable organs are very costly and if a
> >> corporation where
> >> >able to mass produce, let's take hearts, hearts then they could make a
> lot
> >> of
> >> >money.  Now if you are going to say that such a feat is impossible, then
> >> look at
> >> >the mice they cloned recently.  24 clones and some where clones of
> clones.
> >> >Interesting ain't it.
> >> >
> >> >- wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Nobody <somewhere@over.the.rainbow> Said this:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Let me guess this place out in Nevada. It was an old abandon base
> which
> >> also
> >> >> >known as Area 51???!!??
> >> >>
> >> >> Exactly, another flaw in the whole story - they abandoned that
> >> >> facility at least 2 years ago after they finally figured it's cover
> >> >> was completely blown.  I believe the skunk works and all the other
> >> >> black projects are in Colorado or New Mexico now.
> >> >>
> >> >> And oh yeah.... black projects aren't all the big a deal.  I for one
> >> >> am glad they exist - I can't imagine how some commercial and "real
> >> >> world" technologies would become available if the government didn't
> >> >> fund this sort of advanced, almost surreal research.  I can't see a
> >> >> GM, or a GE, or a Microsoft funding the same kind of research, since
> >> >> most of the projects probably get scrapped after a few years and a few
> >> >> hundred million dollars.  Corporations can't afford such "frivolous"
> >> >> research, they need ROI (return on Investment).
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Daniel (dS=dQ/T) Key wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> blowclinton@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
> >> >> >> <6pc4eu$32r$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >> >> >> >Okay...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >A friend of mine, whose identity must remain anonymous has agreed
> for
> >> me to
> >> >> >> >let everyone know what she has seen.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
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