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Patrick van Nederpelt wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> My name is Patrick and need some advise on Unix.
> 
> I need to learn Perl/Unix/W3-mSQL because I want to setup a Internet-Site on a
> Unix server.
> I'am all-ready online, and my domainname is: WWW.INTERNED.NL.
> I have rent 10 Mb on a server, operating system Unix, HTTP server ncsa httpd 1.5.
> 
> For me as an experienced DOS/Windows freak is it not easy to start in the other
> world known as Unix.
> 
> The unix server supports Perl, and a RDBMS interface called W3-mSQL.
> 
> So I tried to find some information about Perl. I found two books, CGI Programming
> with Perl in a week and a other book called starting Perl. I started to read the
> books and tried to run a script on the server, and the only response I have got is
> Error 500 Wrong Header.

  It seems to be an HTML Syntax Error

 
> The unix commands that I need are limited. I only need CHMOD, and all the other
> things I do with FTP software. I do have some trouble with TAR and GNU.
> Is their an menu program available, like WINZIP, so I can simple unpack programs?
> 
> I hope someone can help me,

  What about buying a book like "UNIX for beginners". On most Unix systems you will find 
MANPAGES. You can type: man <command> and you should get a lot of information.

Karl

In article <31E191B2.492D@telebyte.nl> Milko Kretschmann <milko@telebyte.nl> writes:

<snip>

>Second, if there is no solution to the first problem, is there a 
perl-interpreter that runs under dos/windows >and if so can I download it from 
somewhere ?>        

The easiest thing to do for Linux is to get a cdrom.  I use Slackware myself...

Secondly, there is a perl interpreter for DOS.  Check out shareware.com on the 
www and search for perl.

Hope this helps!

Mike

Hello Everybody

I'd like to learn unix and perl. The point is however that I'm working under windows on a 386. My question 
therefore is twofold.

First,  I'd like to run unix or linux on it as well. Can I download a (simple) version of them somewhere ? And 
how would I proceed then; can I download under windows or dos  and from there install the program ?

Second, if there is no solution to the first problem, is there a perl-interpreter that runs under dos/windows 
and if so can I download it from somewhere ?
	
Thanks in advance,

Milko Kretschmann.

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Milko Kretschmann (milko@telebyte.nl) wrote:
: Hello Everybody

: I'd like to learn unix and perl. The point is however that I'm working under windows on a 386. My question 
: therefore is twofold.

: First,  I'd like to run unix or linux on it as well. Can I download a (simple) version of them somewhere ? And 
: how would I proceed then; can I download under windows or dos  and from there install the program ?

linux is the most popular freeware version of unix.
u can download it but it is better if you buy it on CDRoms, some of those 
CD editions come on as many as 5 cd's.  meaning they are not compressed,
meaning  you can work from the CDRom player (albeit slowly), meaning you
do not have to have a huge hard disk.

if you just need certain UNIX a utility, like perl, sed, etc
most of  those are available under project gnuish, & even before & after
the inception of project gnuish.

surf the web.  SIMTEL has a subdirectory dos\gnuish.

the biggest file of UNIX for dos, could be emacs (several megs) followed by 
sh or ksh or bash (less than a meg, zipped).  But not everyone is crazy 
about those.



: Second, if there is no solution to the first problem, is there a perl-interpreter that runs under dos/windows 
: and if so can I download it from somewhere ?
: 	
yes.
there might even be a newsgroup for perl, you may like to post 
there, if u cannot find/like its faq. 

if you know SIMTEL, OAK or other shareware web sites, you can sure download
perl 4 or perl 5.

Happy perling
!

: Thanks in advance,

: Milko Kretschmann.

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Milko Kretschmann <milko@telebyte.nl> writes:

>First,  I'd like to run unix or linux on it as well. Can I download a (simple) version of them somewhere ? And 

Yes. You will have to repartition your disk, though, to make room for the
new operating system. This usually means reinstalling your DOS partition.

>how would I proceed then; can I download under windows or dos  and from there install the program ?

One place to start is the FreeBSD web site. Take a look at

	http://www.ca.freebsd.org/handbook/

for an introduction to FreeBSD -- a UNIX variant derived from 4.4BSD.

While you can install FreeBSD via the Internet I would recommend that
you purchase the CD and install from that, unless you are very comfortable
configuring SLIP/PPP links and the associated routing table entries manually.
If the machine is (or can be) directly connected to the Internet (i.e.
you can stick it on an Internet-connected Ethernet) then installing over
the net is a breeze.

--lyndon


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Milko Kretschmann wrote:
> 

> First,  I'd like to run unix or linux on it as well. Can I download a (simple) version of them somewhere ?

You can download Linux if you really want to from a few places 
on the Internet.  Have a look at http://www.linux.org for a good
place to start with Linux information.  I would recommend you
buy a CD-ROM version, many such versions can be had for $US20 (40 G)
or less.

 
> Second, if there is no solution to the first problem, is there a perl-interpreter that runs under dos/windows
> and if so can I download it from somewhere ?Perl is available for the DOS platform.

> --
> Milko Kretschmann
> Archipelhof 8
> 6524 LD Nijmegen
> THE NETHERLANDS
> tel. +31 024-3606233
> e-mail: milko@telebyte.nl
> http://www.telebyte.nl/~milko/

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Milko Kretschmann <milko@telebyte.nl> writes:

>Hello Everybody

>I'd like to learn unix and perl. The point is however that I'm working under windows on a 386. My question 
>therefore is twofold.

>First,  I'd like to run unix or linux on it as well. Can I download a (simple) version of them somewhere ? And 
>how would I proceed then; can I download under windows or dos  and from there install the program ?

I can't remember the actual name, but there is a version of Linux which
installs in a dos partition.  It does not have the full functionality of
a propper install, but would be a good starting point to wet your
interest.  Try asking around the Linux newsgroups for further info.

CYa

Jay ;)
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Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> 
> Milko Kretschmann <milko@telebyte.nl> writes:
> 
> >First,  I'd like to run unix or linux on it as well. Can I download a (simple) version of them somewhere ? And
> 
> Yes. You will have to repartition your disk, though, to make room for the
> new operating system. This usually means reinstalling your DOS partition.
> 

Just get Partition Magic.  No need to resinstall dos at all.  






> >how would I proceed then; can I download under windows or dos  and from there install the program ?
> 
> One place to start is the FreeBSD web site. Take a look at
> 
>         http://www.ca.freebsd.org/handbook/
> 
> for an introduction to FreeBSD -- a UNIX variant derived from 4.4BSD.
> 
> While you can install FreeBSD via the Internet I would recommend that
> you purchase the CD and install from that, unless you are very comfortable
> configuring SLIP/PPP links and the associated routing table entries manually.
> If the machine is (or can be) directly connected to the Internet (i.e.
> you can stick it on an Internet-connected Ethernet) then installing over
> the net is a breeze.
> 
> --lyndon
> 
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> _____________________________________________________________________
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Philip Polstra wrote:
> 
> Milko Kretschmann wrote:
> >
> 
> > First,  I'd like to run unix or linux on it as well. Can I download a (simple) version of them somewhere ?
> 
> You can download Linux if you really want to from a few places
> on the Internet.  Have a look at http://www.linux.org for a good
> place to start with Linux information.  I would recommend you
> buy a CD-ROM version, many such versions can be had for $US20 (40 G)
> or less.
> 
> 

Better yet, Buy a book on Linux that comes with a CD.  It'll come in real 
handy.  Also, check out the Linux newsgroups:

comp.os.linux.hardware
comp.os.linux.setup
comp.os.linux.x
etc......





> > Second, if there is no solution to the first problem, is there a perl-interpreter that runs under dos/windows
> > and if so can I download it from somewhere ?Perl is available for the DOS platform.
> 
> > --
> > Milko Kretschmann
> > Archipelhof 8
> > 6524 LD Nijmegen
> > THE NETHERLANDS
> > tel. +31 024-3606233
> > e-mail: milko@telebyte.nl
> > http://www.telebyte.nl/~milko/
> 
> --
> Phil Polstra
> ppolstra@inetnow.net
> http://www.inetnow.net/~ppolstra

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Jason Wood (jasonw@daneel.dgs.monash.edu.au) wrote:
: Milko Kretschmann <milko@telebyte.nl> writes:
: 
: >Hello Everybody
: 
: >I'd like to learn unix and perl. The point is however that I'm working under windows on a 386. My question 
: >therefore is twofold.
: 
: >First,  I'd like to run unix or linux on it as well. Can I download a (simple) version of them somewhere ? And 

: 
: I can't remember the actual name, but there is a version of Linux which
: installs in a dos partition.  It does not have the full functionality of

It is called the UMSDOS install!  In older Slackware distibutions, you
used a special set of install boot and root disks. They are marked on
the distribution. It works quite well, but a bit slowly because you
are working through the dos file system. 

One other point. Linux will run quite nicely on a 386, even a 386sx,
but it should have at least 8 meg of memory for any version, including
the UMSDOS variety. If you don't have the memory, now is a great time
to buy it, with prices at $10 a meg or less.

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af137@torfree.net (Al Aab) wrote:

>Milko Kretschmann (milko@telebyte.nl) wrote:
>: Hello Everybody

>: I'd like to learn unix and perl. The point is however that I'm working under windows on a 386. My question 
>: therefore is twofold.

>: First,  I'd like to run unix or linux on it as well. Can I download a (simple) version of them somewhere ? And 
>: how would I proceed then; can I download under windows or dos  and from there install the program ?

>linux is the most popular freeware version of unix.
>u can download it but it is better if you buy it on CDRoms, some of those 
>CD editions come on as many as 5 cd's.  meaning they are not compressed,
>meaning  you can work from the CDRom player (albeit slowly), meaning you
>do not have to have a huge hard disk.

>if you just need certain UNIX a utility, like perl, sed, etc
>most of  those are available under project gnuish, & even before & after
>the inception of project gnuish.

>surf the web.  SIMTEL has a subdirectory dos\gnuish.

>the biggest file of UNIX for dos, could be emacs (several megs) followed by 
>sh or ksh or bash (less than a meg, zipped).  But not everyone is crazy 
>about those.



>: Second, if there is no solution to the first problem, is there a perl-interpreter that runs under dos/windows 
>: and if so can I download it from somewhere ?

I have tried several times over the past year or so to make the DOS
versions of perl work properly.  My _opinion_ is that it is probably a
waste of time to mess around with perl in the DOS side of things.

Fortunately I have Linux and FreeBSD on my machine at home, and
can do my perl stuff there.  I would be very nice to be able to hack
on my Win95 laptop, but so far I am not optomistic about the chances
of that.

If anyone has been using perl successfully under DOS, please correct
me!

>: 	
>yes.
>there might even be a newsgroup for perl, you may like to post 
>there, if u cannot find/like its faq. 

>if you know SIMTEL, OAK or other shareware web sites, you can sure download
>perl 4 or perl 5.

>Happy perling
>!

>: Thanks in advance,

>: Milko Kretschmann.

>: -- 
>: Milko Kretschmann
>: Archipelhof 8
>: 6524 LD Nijmegen
>: THE NETHERLANDS
>: tel. +31 024-3606233
>: e-mail: milko@telebyte.nl
>: http://www.telebyte.nl/~milko/
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Wayne <wroberts@aug.com> writes:

>Just get Partition Magic.  No need to resinstall dos at all.  

If you feel brave, sure :-)

If you plan to use the generic FreeBSD/DOS tools, though, plan on
doing a manual (of sorts) repartition.

--lyndon


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