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4 total messages Started by Larry Moss Wed, 17 Apr 1991 18:54
advice needed on large network printers
#555
Author: Larry Moss
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1991 18:54
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I tried this yesterday and the message seemed to get lost out there.
Being a real fool of course I don't have another copy of the message I
sent out, so I'll have to try to write this again.  I also hate to be
just another person asking for info.  If I had more time to come up with
data I would be more than willing to just read this group for a while and
see what comes along.

I'm looking for information and recommendations on printers to be used in
a large Macintosh network (approx 60 computers).  Right now we have five
Apple Laserwriters that each print roughly 1000 pages a day.  Needless to
say the printers don't particularly like that kind of load.  What we're
trying to decide now is whether to get more laserwriters, other printers
like them, or some high volume printer.  If we go the direction of
Laserwriters we would go with the NTX so if you like some other printer
in the same price range I'd like to here anything you know about how it
compares to an NTX.  There have been many articles recently mentioning
GCC technologies and QMS but I don't have a lot of details on any of
their printers.  I know that QMS has a high volume printer, the PS-2000,
that claims to do everything the PS-410 does, but faster adn for larger
quantities (and of course lots more money).  Of course since I don't know
much about the cheaper printer that doesn't help a lot.

what we need:
	a printer that can support the same fonts (or at least the basic
	ones) as a Laserwriter.

	It must be easy to put on an appletalk network.

	It can handle the load that we get (which is expected to increase
	a lot next year).

	good support from the company.

	a few other points that I'm sure I have around somewhere, but
	where lost with my last posting.

I received several recommendations for the HP Laserjet III.  The only
mahcines I have prices on are the NTX (~$3200), TI-micro XL-35 (also
about the same price), and the QMS PS-2000 (~$16,000).  I woul dlike to
know more about font support on the TI and opinions.  I've heard good and
bad things about it.  The info I have makes it sound really nice, but I
haven't seen it and like i said, I have heard some negative stuff about
it.

I suppose what I need most is more information on high volume printers.
The repair bill on the laserwriters keeps growing.  Does anyone know if
the newer laserwriters can withstnad a greater load than the old ones?

Thanks,
Larry

PS.  As long as I'm asking abotu expensive high volume printers, how much
more would it cost to go for a higher quality (600 dpi or better)
printer?  That's more of a curiousity of my own.  I don't expect to get
one.

--
lm03_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu / "I'm so tired... I was up all night
lmo3_ss@db1.cc.rochester.edu   / trying to round off infinity."
lmo3_ss@uordbv.bitnet         / - Stephen Wright
PostScript Benchmark requested
#557
Author: Alex Woo RAA
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1991 15:57
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A few days ago, Ralph Carmichael asked if any summaries of
PostScript performance were available.  The response was
underwhelming.  Here is a very simple test file which Jim Sullivan
posted to comp.lang.postscript years ago.  We have a limited variety of
PostScript printers and we are most interested in the performance of
the newer models, such as the HP LJ IIIsi, Kodak 716PS, etc.
We would also be interested if a particular PostScript clone fails
on this page.  This includes PostScript previewers.
We have run this file on Apple LaserWriters, NeXT '030 printer, and
DEC LPS40.  

If you decide to print this file, please email the timing number to
carmicha@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov or mail the output page to the address
on the sheet.

Thanks.
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Alex Woo, MS 227-6                         woo@ames.arc.nasa.gov
NASA Ames Research Center           __o    NASAMAIL      ACWOO
Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000       -\<,    SPANET        24644::WOO
(415) 604-6010 (FAX) 604-4357 .....O/ O   {hplabs,decwrl,uunet}!ames!woo
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%! PS-Adobe
%% Laser Doctor, Version 1.0.0
%% Written by Jim Sullivan, January, 1989.
%% This was written out of a need to display as much information
%% about various Postscript Laserprinters onto one page.  More
%% can be added and anyone is free to modify it for their own
%% needs.

gsave

%% Beginning of definitions ********************************

/HB  {/Helvetica-Bold} def
/CBO {/Courier-BoldOblique} def
/C   {/Courier} def
/FF  {findfont} def
/SS  {scalefont setfont} def
/mt  {moveto} def
/s   {show} def
/fontname 30 string def
/getfont {pop fntnm cvs /fontname exch def} def
/fntnm 30 string def
/str 20 string def
/BOLD {CBO FF 10 SS} def
/NORMAL {C FF 10 SS} def
/cnt 0 def
/btime 0 def
/circleofbench
        { 15 15 345
            {gsave
               rotate 0 0 mt
               (Benchmark) oshow
             grestore
            } for
        } def
/oshow {true charpath stroke} def

%% End of definitions *****************************************

BOLD
200 756 mt
(Analysis by Doctor Laser, Version 1.0.0) s      %Print title
20 720 mt
NORMAL (This printer is a ) s
BOLD statusdict/product get str cvs s          %Gets the name of the
NORMAL ( running version ) s                   %printer from
BOLD version str cvs s                         %statusdict/product
NORMAL ( of Postscript.) s                     %and the version number
20 700 translate                               %of Postscript from the
                                               %'version' command
0 0 mt
(Available Fonts : (PaintType)FontName:Example of font) s   %Heading
0 -10 mt
(PaintType = 0\(filled\), 1\(stroked\), 2\(outlined\),) s
0 -20 mt
(            3\(mixed\), ?\(unknown\)) s
0 -30 translate

BOLD
FontDirectory {BOLD 0 0 mt                      %Push directory of fonts and
getfont                                         %get the fonts one at a time.
(\() s
{fontname cvn FF /PaintType get str cvs s} stopped {%ifelse
(?) s } {} ifelse              %Get the font's PaintType and print its value,
(\)) s                         %or if it is not supplied, print a '?'.

fontname s                     %Print the name of the font.

mark
fontname length 1 30 {(-) s} for   %Print dashes out to the font sample column.
(:) s                              %Print a colon.

{fontname cvn FF 10 SS ( ABCDEFGH abcdefgh) s } stopped {%ifelse
NORMAL (Error implementing font) s } {} ifelse      %Show a sample of each
cleartomark                                         %font.  If an error is
cnt 10 add                                          %trapped, print message
/cnt exch def                                       %indicating an error
0 -10 translate} forall                             %occurred.  Use the
NORMAL                                              %variable 'cnt' to count
cnt 30 add /cnt exch def                            %the number of fonts.

350 cnt mt                       %Move back up the page 'cnt' points.
(Virtual Memory Status:) s       %Print the Virtual Memory Status
0 0 translate                    %using 'vmstatus'.
370 cnt 20 sub mt
(Maximum Available Bytes = ) s BOLD vmstatus str cvs s NORMAL
370 cnt 30 sub mt
(Bytes currently in use  = ) s BOLD str cvs s NORMAL
370 cnt 40 sub mt
(Level of Save Nesting   = ) s BOLD str cvs s NORMAL
350 cnt 60 sub mt

(Cache status \(Red book p126\):) s  %Print out the cache status.
cachestatus
370 cnt 80 sub mt NORMAL (blimit = ) s BOLD str cvs s
370 cnt 90 sub mt NORMAL (  cmax = ) s BOLD str cvs s
370 cnt 100 sub mt NORMAL ( csize = ) s BOLD str cvs s
370 cnt 110 sub mt NORMAL (  mmax = ) s BOLD str cvs s
370 cnt 120 sub mt NORMAL ( msize = ) s BOLD str cvs s
370 cnt 130 sub mt NORMAL (  bmax = ) s BOLD str cvs s
370 cnt 140 sub mt NORMAL ( bsize = ) s BOLD str cvs s

usertime /btime exch def                %Print a graphic (circleofbench)
HB FF 12 SS                             %and time how long it takes for
430 cnt 230 sub translate               %the printer to interpret it.
.5 setlinewidth
circleofbench
0 0 moveto
(Benchmark Testing) true charpath
gsave 1 setgray fill grestore
stroke
-40 -80 mt
NORMAL
(Time to print) s
-40 -90 mt
(the above graphic) s
-40 -100 mt
(was ) s
BOLD
usertime btime sub 0.001 mul str cvs s  %Print out the time in seconds.
NORMAL
( seconds.) s
-40 -210 mt
( Please mail this page to)s
-40 -220 mt
( Ralph Carmichael ) s
-40 -230 mt
( MS 227-2) s
-40 -240 mt
( NASA Ames Research Center) s
-40 -250 mt
( Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000) s
-40 -260 mt
( carmicha@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov) s
grestore
showpage



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Alex Woo, MS 227-6                         woo@ames.arc.nasa.gov
NASA Ames Research Center           __o    NASAMAIL      ACWOO
Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000       -\<,    SPANET        24644::WOO
(415) 604-6010 (FAX) 604-4357 .....O/ O   {hplabs,decwrl,uunet}!ames!woo
========================================================================
Re: PostScript Benchmark requested
#595
Author: Lars Poulsen
Date: Thu, 02 May 1991 20:40
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(1) the "str" string is too short - our IMAGEN traps on a range check
    when it tries to get the system name. 

(2) Apple LaserWriter II NTX - 21.5 seconds
    Imagen 5320 ImageServer  - 50.0 seconds
    Apple LaserWriter Plus  - 115.0 seconds

Nice test...
-- 
/ Lars Poulsen, SMTS Software Engineer
  CMC Rockwell  lars@CMC.COM
Re: PostScript Benchmark requested
#630
Author: Michael Davis
Date: Thu, 09 May 1991 20:10
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In article <9105031718.AA15690@crayola.cs.UMD.EDU> lars@SPECTRUM.CMC.COM (Lars Poulsen) writes:
>(1) the "str" string is too short - our IMAGEN traps on a range check
>    when it tries to get the system name. 
>

The HPIIIsi had the same problem.  The name was 30 characters long and str
was defined as 20


>(2) Apple LaserWriter II NTX - 21.5 seconds
>    Imagen 5320 ImageServer  - 50.0 seconds
>    Apple LaserWriter Plus  - 115.0 seconds
>

HP IIIsi           = 5.612 seconds
DEC PrintServer 20 = 26.29 seconds

The DEC has the same ppm rating as the HP with a price tag about 10 times
higher..

mike
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