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Re: Posting schematics...

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From: Steve Ward
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1988 17:25
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I may be mistaken, but I thought the original idea was to formulate a
simple, inexpensive, universal way to interchange schematics to the
great masses awaiting electronic enlightment :-)  It does seem to me
that there are two ways to go: first, what is admittedly the "right"
way, which is to say EDIF.  Second, to do something that is readily
available and affordable to everyone, including basement amatueurs.

EDIF will certainly require lots of programming and the goodwill free
dessemination of those programs in order to receive "universal
interchange" capability.  If there are those out there  in netland who
are willing to this programming and share it then great, go for it!

EDIF is capable of being used to describe the schematic graphically and
electrically.  Remember, though, that an EDIF-to-plot translator will be
needed.  The best one would be EDIF-to-HPBL followed by
EDIT-to-Postscript, though there HPBL-to-Postscript translator(s)
floating around the net, I believe.  As I understand it, EDIF allows the
definition of graphics symbol to plot mapping to be done by the user.
In other words, EDIF does not provide a specific schematic definition
methodology such that it defines the graphics plot representation of the
schematic.  The definition and interpretation of drawing the schematic
onto paper or whatever is left to the user.  This is really a question,
since I am not sure my understanding is correct, and I do hope it is
wrong.  Someone who really knows should comment on this.

If my understanding is correct, then a definition of how to reprsent
schematics in EDIF with respect to a coordinate system, scale
information, parts (graphics symbols)  defiintions (presumably vectors)
etc will have to agreed upon.  If I am wrong, then EDIF provides a full
graphics description capability as well as circuit topology capability
and  this particular concern is unfounded.  In any case,  it does leave
a lot of software to be generated if the intent is to provide lowly PC
(and clones), MAC's, and variouus workstation users to interchange
schematics.  I suppose the two critical pieces of software would be the
EDIF-to-HPGL translator and an EDIF netlist extractor that would
generate a generic ASCII wireing list, component parts list, and
hopefully an English language ASCII netlis.  Come to think of it, I
guess a third piece of software is needed:  a program to generate or
otherwise encode a schematic into the necessary EDIF format.  I guess
this is the real problem.  Who has this capability, and for the masses
who do not, how can this capability be easily provided?

If there is an easy, simple, universal solution to this last program
then please tell us.

The second cheap and dirty approach, using a simple netlist and an HPGL
file of the schematic has already been discussed.  Its merits are that
many low-cost PC and MAC programs exist that allow generation of
schematics netlist files and HPOBL files, including plotting of HPGL
files on dot matrix printers.  Also, HPGL dot matrix printer support is
simple to implement independently.

I certainly favor EDIF if the last problem of how to provide the masses
with the means to generate schematic EDIF files can be surmounted.

If the idea is really to provide interchange for those using  commercial
CAE/CAD workstation systems, then NEVER MIND!

fMy lowly PC at home and our overpriced CAE system at work can generate
netlistss and HPGL files and plot them , but neither know zip from
shinola about EDIF.


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From: ward@cfa.harvard.EDU (Steve Ward)
Newsgroups: comp.lsi
Subject: Re: Posting schematics...
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Date: 16 Mar 88 17:25:01 GMT
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Organization: Harvard-Smithsonian Ctr. for Astrophysics
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Summary: for the masses or the specialists?