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In article <CKD.92Dec14003606@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
>JS> == John Stanley <stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU>
>
> JS> Neither of these puts me in charge of my little section of the DNS.
> JS> They put me in contact with someone else, who is in charge of my
> JS> little section. Not the same thing.
>
>Then my boss isn't really in charge of the machines at my site, because he
>has to go through one of the sysadmins to make a configuration change?

There is a bit of a difference between your boss, who is in charge of
the system admins who make the changes, and me, who is in charge of
nobody at the site who maintains my DNS records. Unless you think that
having someone keep an MX record for you somehow makes you in charge of
the person doing it.

>course, such programs are easily written, made group-executable, and
>installed, in order to give the proper "feeling of control" to people like
>you.

Just what people are "people like" me? You seem to be missing the point
of what is being said here and wandering into insult. I am not
complaining about not being able to control "my section of the DNS",
only trying to correct an erronious statement that anyone can. I have
said that twice, now. Will it sink in this time?

>If no mail arrives at this site for an hour, something's wrong.  Your site
>may vary.  If *nobody* sends you mail, don't you wonder why?

Please explain how I am to tell the difference between nobody sending
me mail and my site not receiving any mail. It has been 30 minutes here
since I've gotten any mail. Is there a problem? (Could be, I've spent
most of today trying to work around a bogosity in sendmail.) My UUCP
site hasn't gotten any mail for the last two days. Is there a problem?

Until there is a known piece of mail missing, I have no idea whether
nothing has been sent or it was sent and bounced. 

> JS> And sites can do routing without keeping the entire UUCP maps on their
> JS> local disk, or even local net.
>
>That's not doing routing.  That's doing punting.

Routing, punting, same difference. The mail is being sent somewhere that
it can be taken care of. It might not be the most direct route, but it
is being forwarded on A route. Neither pathalias nor DNS guarantee the
most direct or lowest cost routes.