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In article <1992Aug7.182909.815@miles.com>
	rms@miles.com (Rob Schultz) writes:
>Can anyone out there tell me how to transfer mail between USENET and
>an internal DECNET (VMS MAIL) system?

Use the free Mail-11 driver at somewhere in gatekeeper.dec.com (an 
official unsupported-but-very-good software archive of DEC Western 
Research Lab). Ask Paul Vixie <vixie@pa.dec.com> - he has been 
an expert of this problem.

>I presume that I need some
>software to handle the routing, but nobody here seems to know anything
>about it.

DECnet-ULTRIX may work, but the free Mail-11 driver seems to be 
better.

>Is this possible?  (Does it make sense?)

Obviously possible - otherwise people in dec.com using VMS will 
not be able to communicate with the rest of the world :)

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In article <1992Aug7.182909.815@miles.com> Rob Schultz, rms@miles.com
writes:
>Can anyone out there tell me how to transfer mail between USENET and
>an internal DECNET (VMS MAIL) system?  I presume that I need some
>software to handle the routing, but nobody here seems to know anything
>about it.
>
>Here is what we have:
>
>    DECNET <----> VMS system <----> Unix system <----> UUCP to world
>    (internal     (has uucp         (This system
>    network)      mail routed       routes mail
>		           to it from        to the vax)
>		           the outside 
>		           world)
>
>We are running uucp mail between the VMS system and the Unix system,
>but cannot route mail to and from the rest of the DECNET.  That is, 
>we would like to be able to read uucp mail using the VAX MAIL system,
>and route it to remote nodes, and also have remote nodes route mail 
>to the outside world using VAX MAIL.
>
>Is this possible?  (Does it make sense?)

PMDF from Innosoft does what you want and more. You can use it to
do a number of things:

user%decNode@myhost.domain   Explicit routing
user@DecNode.myhost.domain   Spoofed hostname resolved by gateway
user@myhost.domain           Alias to decNode::user

I personally use PMDF to route all of my mail to my Macintosh,
but also send a copy to my uucp node at home from 5PM to 6AM,
and all day Saturday and Sunday.

Support is excellent. A real value.

Jeff E Mandel MD MS
Associate Professor of Anesthesiology
Tulane University School of Medicine
New Orleans, LA

mandel@vax.anes.tulane.edu

In article <1992Aug7.182909.815@miles.com> Rob Schultz, rms@miles.com
writes:
>Can anyone out there tell me how to transfer mail between USENET and
>an internal DECNET (VMS MAIL) system?  I presume that I need some
>software to handle the routing, but nobody here seems to know anything
>about it...

Aside from the PMDF solution proposed by Jeff Mandel, there is a simpler
one. I am guessing that you already have DECUS UUCP because your VAX is the
UUCP connection. If so, there is a file called MAIL_REWRITE.RULES that can
be used to transform internet addresses into DECnet addresses and effect
VMS Mail delivery. REGISTER YOUR SITE AS A DOMAIN(!). Then add a rule

  *@*.yourdomain.com     \002::\001

and any mail addressed to user@node.yourdomain.com will be routed to the
VMS Mail address NODE::USER. YOu need to do the reverse for outgoing mail
to convert DECnet address back into a domain address. If you insist on
using bangpath or ".uucp" addressing you can still do it. Also, if you want
to get really fancy, you can set up your VAX as a "domain gateway" and put
separate rules into the file for each user in your company. This will hide
your DECnet node names and let you use addresses like user@yourdomain.com.
I personally dislike exposing your machine names in your mail addresses. 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Robert B. Denny                                           voice: (818) 792-9474
Alisa Systems, Inc.                                         fax: (818) 792-4068
Pasadena, CA                         (denny@alisa.com, ..uunet!alisa.com!denny)

In article <1992Aug14.065628.3058@dakota.alisa.com> denny@dakota.alisa.com (Bob Denny) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.182909.815@miles.com> Rob Schultz, rms@miles.com
>writes:
>>Can anyone out there tell me how to transfer mail between USENET and
>>an internal DECNET (VMS MAIL) system?  I presume that I need some
>>software to handle the routing, but nobody here seems to know anything
>>about it...
>
>one. I am guessing that you already have DECUS UUCP because your VAX is the
>UUCP connection. If so, there is a file called MAIL_REWRITE.RULES that can
>be used to transform internet addresses into DECnet addresses and effect
>VMS Mail delivery. REGISTER YOUR SITE AS A DOMAIN(!). Then add a rule
>
>  *@*.yourdomain.com     \002::\001
>
>and any mail addressed to user@node.yourdomain.com will be routed to the
>VMS Mail address NODE::USER. YOu need to do the reverse for outgoing mail
>to convert DECnet address back into a domain address. If you insist on

Actually, our Unix system is the outside gateway, and the VAX-Unix connection
is accomplished via ethernet, while the unix-outside world connection is 
accomplished via a dial-up.

Is there any way to use something similar to this for our setup?  (This is
the type of simple solution that I am most interested in.)

Thanks -
     rms

BTW - I have received a few responses, but no "me-too's".  Is anyone else 
out there interested enough for me to summarize and post what I learn?

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