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Started by Farid Hamjavar
Fri, 09 Oct 1992 06:35
ELM vs PINE
Author: Farid Hamjavar
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 06:35
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 06:35
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Hello happy mailers : I am suppose to do a comparison between ELM and PINE (you never heard of PINE before!!! :-) This comparison is mostly in terms of functionality from users' perspective and a bit from maintenance of the mail-program point of view. I've got a load of documents to read on ELM but not as much for PINE. a) Anybody knows where can I get more to read on PINE? b) I was wondering if I could get even more info. by asking if anybody has worked with both and could tell me his/her opinion :-) ThankX Farid Hamjavar The guru is inside you.
Re: ELM vs PINE
Author: David E Boyes
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 16:47
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 16:47
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In article <j+jpm5_@lynx.unm.edu> hamjavar@carina.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) writes: >I am suppose to do a comparison between ELM and PINE (you never heard of >PINE before!!! :-) This comparison is mostly in terms of functionality >from users' perspective and a bit from maintenance of the mail-program >point of view. Elm can do more, and is more open-ended than Pine, but Pine is simpler for the utterly technophobic user. Pine's other major advantage is direct support of the IMAP remote mailbox access protocol, which makes it easier for users to have a single mailbox that's accessible from many different hosts, including personal computers. Pine is very menu-driven -- everything you can do at any point is always visible on the screen in a function key-like display at the bottom of the screen. It uses inverse video a lot, so if you have Televideo terminals or other terminals where the inverse video attribute takes up a character location on the screen, you may have trouble with screen formatting. I circumvented that problem by redefining the inverse video sequence for the afflicted terminals to something innocuous, like half-intensity. Address book functions are very visually oriented, and seem well-thought out. Elm is somwhat menu-driven, but more command driven than Pine. It can be configured to use any available editor and printing software, and has bozo/moderate/expert user modes to limit the complexity visible to the user. It also comes with a nice set of mail handling tools that every system should have: a rul-based mail filter, frm, a well-behaved autoreply daemon, other stuff. MIME support (a big up-and-coming issue in mail user agents) is available for both Elm and Pine, but the Elm MIME support available from Bellcore is much more sophisticated at this stage (as of Pine 3.05). pico, the editor piece of Pine, is very nice as an editor, though. It's simple, and has a number of useful features for users who don't want to, or have no need to use a traditional Unix editor like vi or Emacs. The combination of Elm and pico seems to be a nice intermediate environment for someone who's outgrown Pine, but doesn't need the full power of Emacs. (pico has the basic Emacs cursor movement controls in addition to arrow key support. For people who move back and forth between pico and Emacs, this is a real blessing. It also deals nicely with the case of non-ANSI terminals.) Both are relatively easy to build and configure -- Elm is slightly easier due to their use of Larry Wall's superb Configure scripts. You have to tell the Pine build program what architecture you're on; the Elm Configure script figures it out and goes for it. Elm also supports more different kinds of machines. Pine really shines with the IMAP support. If your host supports an IMAP server (available on the same FTP site as Pine), you can manipulate your mailbox using Unix clients, Mac clients and (soon) a DOS client without having to move the entire mailbox to the local host (as is the case with POP2/POP3 based servers). I have heard that there are mods to Elm available to support POP and IMAP, but I haven't tested them, so I don't know if/how well they work. >I've got a load of documents to read on ELM but not as much for PINE. In the tech notes that come with Pine (available via anonymous FTP from ftphost.cac.washington.edu), they mention that one of the design goals of Pine was to minimize the external documentation needed to use the package. The help files that are part of Pine constitute most of the available documentation, and you probably won't really need much more than that. There's a help key on every screen - usually ? or H - and it's context sensitive. Your best bet with Pine is to build it and mess with it. It takes about 3M of disk space on my Sparcstation for the source and executables. >a) Anybody knows where can I get more to read on PINE? It's all on ftphost.cac.washington.edu. >b) I was wondering if I could get even more info. by asking if anybody > has worked with both and could tell me his/her opinion :-) Personal opinion: Pine is perfect for technophobic users who must use a Unix system for other tasks, or environments where it's really handy to have one mailbox per user accessible from many different locations. Assuming that you have network connectivity available to your personal computers, really technophobic users that just need to send and receive mail should consider using a personal computer based IMAP client like Mailstrom for the Mac (FTP from ftphost.cac.washington.edu) or Pine for DOS (when it becomes available) -- they'll get more comfortable with electronic mail that way and (hopefully) be better equipped to cope with future advances. I think that as users get more experienced, they'll outgrow Pine and want something more powerful, like Elm. The pico editor is a nice piece of work in itself, and I think it works well with both Pine and Elm. Power users who are familiar with Unix editors and the Unix environment will definitely prefer Elm. Right now, the MIME support in Pine is pretty weak. They're working hard on it, but the Bellcore stuff for Elm is still much superior. If MIME support is important to you and you have widely distributed network access to support X, you may want to consider the Andrew mail system, which handles MIME beautifully. > >Farid Hamjavar >The guru is inside you. -- David Boyes dboyes@rice.edu
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