🚀 go-pugleaf

In article <NpI3THAEoDczEAXk@albion-auto.co.uk>,
David K McWilliams  <davidmcw@albion-auto.co.uk$> wrote:
>A freind of mine recently received the following as an e-mail. He didn't
[...]
>me some advice on what this is and how it should be decoded, its' not
>uuencoded - which is what I thought it may be. 
>
>It starts........
>--------------5A7E536668DB
>Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Carvel.let"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
                            ^^^^^^

			    Base64 encoded, you should be able to find
                            a decoder for your platform somewhere out
                            there.

	Mark
-- 
Mark Lowes <hamster@lspace.org>   http://www.flyhmstr.demon.co.uk
SMTP/POP3 	   http://www.flyhmstr.demon.co.uk/smtp_pop_faq.html 
Demon Service FAQ  http://www.flyhmstr.demon.co.uk/Demon/demonservice.html 
wibble.org	   http://www.wibble.org/

David K McWilliams wrote:
> 
> A freind of mine recently received the following as an e-mail. He didn't
> know what to make of it so he decided to pass it onto to me (me
> foolishly thinks that I know a lot about this stuff). Could someone give
> me some advice on what this is and how it should be decoded, its' not
> uuencoded - which is what I thought it may be.
> 
> It starts........
 [lots of MIME snipped]


  Its MIME, using the base64 encoding.
If he has Windows on a PC then the best decoder is 'Wincode', available
from the simtelnet mirror on ftp.demon.co.uk.
   There are decoders for other platforms.

   A good e-mail program should have automaticaly recognised it, so
perhaps its time for him to look for one!

   Regards,
      Harry.

In article <33730F14.59E2@demon.net>,  wrote:

 HB>    A good e-mail program should have automaticaly recognised it, so
 HB> perhaps its time for him to look for one!

For Dos?

Regards,
___
 |ez.
--
Terry Belton, Sunny Brighton, UK.    Email: tez@bstopbtn.demon.co.uk 

Terry Belton wrote:
> 
> In article <33730F14.59E2@demon.net>,  wrote:
> 
>  HB>    A good e-mail program should have automaticaly recognised it, so
>  HB> perhaps its time for him to look for one!
> 
> For Dos?
> 
 

   Hm - I must have missed that bit in the original query.
In general, as MIME handles many sorts of files, DOS readers have
a hard time dealing with the results. I have seen various attempts,
but most of them are pretty kludgy.   
   This is one time that Windows really comes into its own - its
much easier to write MIME-compliant mail readers.  It is mainly for
this reason I finaly changed from using KA9Q, and started using
Agent.
   I was sorry to see KA9Q go - it serverd me well for years, but
the facilities offered by Agent for both news and mail were the
clinching factor - particularly in trying to reduce my phone-bill!

   Regards,
      Harry.

KA9Q for DOS will handle most MIME-encoded messages adequately, so long as
you use the built-in mail reader, rather than hooking your fancy 
file-viewer. I think it will handle email flagged
 "Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

I haven't kept any email encoded this way, so can't check this.

HTH,
-- 
Michael Salem

Harry Broomhall writes:

 "  Hm - I didn't think KA9Q *had* a builtin mail reader.
 "I always understood that it 'delivered' it to a directory, and you
 "used another program to view it.  I believe the standard mail program
 "issued by Demon was PC-elm.
 
Sorry, you're quite right. For "KA9Q" read "the DIS suite (KA9Q + PCElm +
SNEWS)". The version of PCElm distributed with DIS does what I said.

best wishes,
-- 
Michael Salem

Michael Salem wrote:
> 
> KA9Q for DOS will handle most MIME-encoded messages adequately, so long as
> you use the built-in mail reader, rather than hooking your fancy
> file-viewer. I think it will handle email flagged
>  "Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> 
> I haven't kept any email encoded this way, so can't check this.
> 
 
  Hm - I didn't think KA9Q *had* a builtin mail reader.
I always understood that it 'delivered' it to a directory, and you
used another program to view it.  I believe the standard mail program
issued by Demon was PC-elm, however I didn't particularly like
this, and switched to using the mail program from the UUPC package.

  Regards,
     Harry.

In article <b81_9705111144@bstopbtn.demon.co.uk>
           tez@bstopbtn.demon.co.uk "Terry Belton" writes:

> In article <33730F14.59E2@demon.net>,  wrote:
> 
>  HB>    A good e-mail program should have automaticaly recognised it, so
>  HB> perhaps its time for him to look for one!
> 
> For Dos?

Why not?  PCElm recognizes MIME and decodes Base64 attachments without
any trouble: I thought you used to use KA9Q/Snews/PCElm, so would have
expected you to remember this.

OTOH, SNews *doesn't* handle MIME, nor automatic decoding of attachments.
This, IMHO, is as things should be, because one of the Ms in MIME stand
for "mail", and MIME doesn't belong in news articles (no, not even to
handle the vexed question of pound-sterling-signs, etc).

(Aha; just looked back at the headers: you're *not* the usual Tez who's
contributed to this group in the past; hence your confusion, no doubt.)

-- 
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                         bhk@dsl.co.uk
    "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce
     the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know
     this is not true."            Robert Wilensky, University of California

In article <33770CC5.167E@demon.net>, Harry Broomhall <haeb@demon.net>
writes
>Terry Belton wrote:
>> 
>> In article <33730F14.59E2@demon.net>,  wrote:
>> 
>>  HB>    A good e-mail program should have automaticaly recognised it, so
>>  HB> perhaps its time for him to look for one!
>> 
>> For Dos?
[snip]
>   This is one time that Windows really comes into its own - its
>much easier to write MIME-compliant mail readers.  It is mainly for
>this reason I finaly changed from using KA9Q, and started using
>Agent.
>   I was sorry to see KA9Q go - it serverd me well for years, 

AFAIK One nice thing about KA9q is that it delivers mail quicker because
it bypasses post.demon (so I have been told) and delivers it on the
destination server.

-- 
David Lindsay

In demon.ip.support.pc Harry Broomhall <haeb@demon.net> wrote:
: Terry Belton wrote:
: > In article <33730F14.59E2@demon.net>,  wrote:
: >  HB>    A good e-mail program should have automaticaly recognised it, so
: >  HB> perhaps its time for him to look for one!
: > For Dos?
:    Hm - I must have missed that bit in the original query.
: In general, as MIME handles many sorts of files, DOS readers have
: a hard time dealing with the results. I have seen various attempts,
: but most of them are pretty kludgy.   

Have you tried metamail, the latest version of which has been ported
to dos, by the authoer. Setting up the mailcap and so forth can be a
pain, but an example mailcap and instructions come with pcelm in the
DIS distribution.


-- 
RobertM
Demon Internet Ltd
            "Trust the computer the computer is your fiend"

Robert Mortimer wrote:
> 
> In demon.ip.support.pc Harry Broomhall <haeb@demon.net> wrote:
> : Terry Belton wrote:
> : > In article <33730F14.59E2@demon.net>,  wrote:
> : >  HB>    A good e-mail program should have automaticaly recognised it, so
> : >  HB> perhaps its time for him to look for one!
> : > For Dos?
> :    Hm - I must have missed that bit in the original query.
> : In general, as MIME handles many sorts of files, DOS readers have
> : a hard time dealing with the results. I have seen various attempts,
> : but most of them are pretty kludgy.
> 
> Have you tried metamail, the latest version of which has been ported
> to dos, by the authoer. Setting up the mailcap and so forth can be a
> pain, but an example mailcap and instructions come with pcelm in the
> DIS distribution.
> 

  It was metamail pricipaly that I had in mind.  I found it such a pain
to set up, and find readers/players for stuff that comes as standard
in Windows that I finaly 'bit the bullet' and moved to Agent.  This
was helped immensly by the arrival of POP3 on Demon.

   Regards,
      Harry.

In demon.ip.support.pc Harry Broomhall <haeb@demon.net> wrote:
: Robert Mortimer wrote:
: > In demon.ip.support.pc Harry Broomhall <haeb@demon.net> wrote:
: > : Terry Belton wrote:
: > : > In article <33730F14.59E2@demon.net>,  wrote:
: > : >  HB>    A good e-mail program should have automaticaly recognised it, so
: > : >  HB> perhaps its time for him to look for one!
: > : > For Dos?
: > :    Hm - I must have missed that bit in the original query.
: > : In general, as MIME handles many sorts of files, DOS readers have
: > : a hard time dealing with the results. I have seen various attempts,
: > : but most of them are pretty kludgy.
: > Have you tried metamail, the latest version of which has been ported
: > to dos, by the authoer. Setting up the mailcap and so forth can be a
: > pain, but an example mailcap and instructions come with pcelm in the
: > DIS distribution.
:   It was metamail pricipaly that I had in mind.  I found it such a pain
: to set up, and find readers/players for stuff that comes as standard
: in Windows that I finaly 'bit the bullet' and moved to Agent.  This
: was helped immensly by the arrival of POP3 on Demon.

OK, makes sense, to be honest I get so few encoded mails I just run
them through munpack and look at them later.

If I get the time I might have a look at gotha mail which is a windows
mailer for KA9Q that you can allegedly use at the same time as ka9q is
running, online, in a different window.

Finding DOS viewers can be a real pain though.

-- 
RobertM
Demon Internet Ltd
            "Trust the computer the computer is your fiend"

Robert Mortimer wrote:
> 
[SNIP]
> 
> OK, makes sense, to be honest I get so few encoded mails I just run
> them through munpack and look at them later.
>
   This was also a source of problems.  I have munpack, and find
that it will only work with perfectly formatted MIME.  Unfortunately
a number of encoders get things wrong, and munpack didn't get very
far with them.  I then found that Wincode could cope with even
heavily damaged MIME, making good guesses about things, and accepting
direction where it couldn't guess.  This was yet another push in
the Windows direction.
 
> If I get the time I might have a look at gotha mail which is a windows
> mailer for KA9Q that you can allegedly use at the same time as ka9q is
> running, online, in a different window.
> 
> Finding DOS viewers can be a real pain though.
> 
  Even worse trying to find DOS players of MIDI that handle .sbk bits,
and MP3 players! 

  Regards,
     Harry.

>>>>> "BHK" == Brian {Hamilton Kelly} <bhk@dsl.co.uk> writes:

    BHK> OTOH, SNews *doesn't* handle MIME, nor automatic decoding of
    BHK> attachments.  This, IMHO, is as things should be, because one
    BHK> of the Ms in MIME stand for "mail", and MIME doesn't belong
    BHK> in news articles (no, not even to handle the vexed question
    BHK> of pound-sterling-signs, etc).

Allow me to contradict. MIME silently becomes a standard in newsgroups
where the dominant language uses 8 bit characters. And that's not just
for the pound-sterling-sign.

Markus G
-- 
do *not* delete "no.spam" from my reply address.

In article <863421299snz@dsl.co.uk>,  wrote:
 >>
 >>  HB> A good e-mail program should have automaticaly recognised
 >>  HB> it, so perhaps its time for him to look for one!
 >>
 >> For Dos?

 BK> Why not?

Everyone assumes you need WindoZe...

 BK>  PCElm recognizes MIME and decodes Base64 attachments without
 BK> any trouble: I thought you used to use KA9Q/Snews/PCElm, so would
 BK> have expected you to remember this.

No, I gate (with official permission from Demon) all mail to my BBS and use
FidoNet technology to read and post mail.

 BK> OTOH, SNews *doesn't* handle MIME, nor automatic decoding of
 BK> attachments. This, IMHO, is as things should be, because one of the Ms
 BK> in MIME stand for "mail", and MIME doesn't belong in news articles
 BK> (no, not even to handle the vexed question of pound-sterling-signs,
 BK> etc).

I have a robot to automatically uudecode mail if sent to uudecode@...

 BK> (Aha; just looked back at the headers: you're *not* the usual Tez
 BK> who's contributed to this group in the past; hence your confusion, no
 BK> doubt.)

I'll let you off then.

Regards,
___
 |ez.
--
Terry Belton, Sunny Brighton, UK.    Email: tez@bstopbtn.demon.co.uk