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Re: mush bugs

#539
From: Mark Horton
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 1990 21:21
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In article <143274@sun.Eng.Sun.COM>, argv@turnpike.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan Heller) writes:
> alts * !cory.berkeley.edu!dheller !ora.ora.com!danh !comp-sources-x

Aha!  That's the secret.  Silly me, I figured that since all the mail
addresses on my Sun are user@domain format, that putting the exact-string-match
user@domain in the alternates list would do it.  I flipped them around
and stuck a ! on the front and now it works!  Thanks!

> In patch #3 that will soon be available, you will be able to specify
> the @-style format such as:
>     dheller@cory.berkeley.edu
> This is a "convenience" for the user -- it'll just internally use the
> bang-formats discussed above.  I think bart and I are also planning
> on supporting *user to imply the same thing as !user now...

This seems like a reasonable thing to do since user@host is the standard
format that most people use these days.

> > When using mushtool, when I press "done" it closes the window down OK,
> > but it moves the current message to the last preserved message, marking
> > it read.  I have to manually preserve it each time I open the window.
> 
> There has always been a bunch of bantering about back and forth on
> what to do about "preserve".  I'll let bart answer this one.  I agree
> that its an inconvenience.... all things considered, this is not a
> trivial problem to solve.

Somehow mailtool manages to do it.

> > When replying, if I forget to press "send" (or miss it) and then press
> > "close", the reply window goes away and so does the reply button!
> You can still hit the <compose> button, can't you?  That's just there to
> If the <compose> button is also disabled, then we have a problem.

Yes, <compose> works, it just wasn't obvious that I should press it.
You view <compose> as meaning "pop up the compose window", I view it
as meaning "I want to send a new piece of mail".  I suspect users
are more likely to make the latter interpretation.

> >   In particular, when I'm paging through a long message and
> > have a "more" at the bottom, I would like to be able to issue commands
> > like "n" or "r" without having to "q" first.  I can do this in mushtool
> > but not in curses mode.
> 
> The disadvantage to "rn" is that you have to use *their* pager.
I seem to get mush's pager no matter what I ask for.  But that's
OK - I don't really want a separate pager, it takes too long to
start up.  I just want the built-in pager to do something reasonable
(not just beep) when I type a mush command at it.  I realize this is
hard to do if you use your own pager, but for the built-in one that
I get anyway it should be easy.

> > Sure would be nice if, in curses mode at the main message menu, j and k
> > would work at the bottom and top of the screen ala vi.  Currently I
> > have to z or Z- which is inconvenient (and inconsistent from vi.)
> This is true, but vi is tuned to take full advantage of the capabilties
> of the screen.  Mush just uses those curses(3X) commands that are most
> portable across all versions of unix (that we've found).  We cannot do
> reverse scrolling reliably (which would give you your desired effect)
> and be assured that it works everywhere.

Are there bugs in screen scrolling on the BSD curses?  Or is it just slow
to scroll backwards?  I think even the BSD curses will scroll the whole
screen forward a line if you set scrollok to true.

	Mark
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!attcan!uunet!snorkelwacker!apple!rutgers!att!cbnewsu!mark
From: mark@cbnewsu.att.com (Mark Horton)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
Subject: Re: mush bugs
Summary: so that's the secret!
Message-ID: <1990Oct4.212140.11006@cbnewsu.att.com>
Date: 4 Oct 90 21:21:40 GMT
References: <1990Oct2.170734.17606@cbnewsu.att.com> <143274@sun.Eng.Sun.COM>
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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