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John McCabe wrote:

> ... I will have to
> reconfigure my Pegasus settings to get POP3 mail. Obviously it is
> beneficial to be able to reject messages in my SMTP server as they are
> bounced back as rejected but, as far as I can see, that isn't possible
> with POP3 - the best I could do was leave any messages I didn't want
> on the server and wait for them to be returned as non-deliverable.

On a POP3 system you can't bounce messages back to sender. I don't think 
this is a good idea anyway, as the bounce always goes to an innocent 
whose name has been taken in vain anyway.

Things you can do in POP3 are: download message headers only; and delete 
messages from the server without downloading them. In practice, Pegasus 
mail for 32-bit Windows (I don't know the other versions well enough to 
say) will let you do a selective mail download. This will show you the 
headers. You can then mark mail for downloading, deletion, or both. I 
personally use Spampal in conjunction with selective download -- I get 
headers which may be preceded by "**SPAM", with a few false negatives and 
even fewer false positives, so I sort by subject, scan visually, block-
select and delete.

Some other mail programs allow this, bit not Outlook Express.

HTH,
-- 
Michael Salem

If anyone sees my previous message with this Subject:, apologies, it was 
posted in the wrong topic. 

Michael Salem <a$-b$1@ms3.org.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.199ca86338a996bb989852@News.individual.NET: 

>...
> Pegasus mail for 32-bit Windows (I don't know the
> other versions well enough to say) will let you do a selective
> mail download.

A manual process.  Starting with V4.10 (4.12a is current), you can 
also do server-side filtering which allows for automation.  Message 
headers and a configurable number of lines of body text can be 
downloaded and tested with filter rules, and based on the tests 
messages can be downloaded, deleted, or left on the server.

>...

- Fred

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:18:56 +0100, Michael Salem <a$-b$1@ms3.org.uk>
wrote:

Michael,

Thanks for your comments but...

>> ... I will have to
>> reconfigure my Pegasus settings to get POP3 mail. Obviously it is
>> beneficial to be able to reject messages in my SMTP server as they are
>> bounced back as rejected but, as far as I can see, that isn't possible
>> with POP3 - the best I could do was leave any messages I didn't want
>> on the server and wait for them to be returned as non-deliverable.
>
>On a POP3 system you can't bounce messages back to sender. I don't think 
>this is a good idea anyway, as the bounce always goes to an innocent 
>whose name has been taken in vain anyway.
>
>Things you can do in POP3 are: download message headers only; and delete 
>messages from the server without downloading them.

I already know quite a bit about POP3 and what you can do with it
(which is why I said that as far as I know you can't reject messages).
But you *can* ignore them by looking at the headers end deciding not
to download them.

>In practice, Pegasus mail for 32-bit Windows (I don't know the other
>versions well enough to say) will let you do a selective mail download.

I know - that's why I said:

"I know you can use the selective download, but I get hundreds of
messages a day and that isn't really feasible for me."

I would like Pegasus (or any mail clinet) to be able to do this for me
automatically based on a set of rules.


Best Regards
John McCabe

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On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:12:42 GMT, Fred Viles
<fv+abuse@nospam.epitools.com> wrote:

>Michael Salem <a$-b$1@ms3.org.uk> wrote in
>news:MPG.199ca86338a996bb989852@News.individual.NET: 
>
>>...
>> Pegasus mail for 32-bit Windows (I don't know the
>> other versions well enough to say) will let you do a selective
>> mail download.
>
>A manual process.  Starting with V4.10 (4.12a is current), you can 
>also do server-side filtering which allows for automation.  Message 
>headers and a configurable number of lines of body text can be 
>downloaded and tested with filter rules, and based on the tests 
>messages can be downloaded, deleted, or left on the server.

Oh? Can you tell me where it shows how to set that up? I'm using 4.12.
and can't find anything that looks like that in the ruleset stuff.


Best Regards
John McCabe

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In message <3f336e42.6344412@news.btclick.com>, John McCabe 
<john@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes

>I already know quite a bit about POP3 and what you can do with it
>(which is why I said that as far as I know you can't reject messages).
>But you *can* ignore them by looking at the headers end deciding not
>to download them.

You can also delete the messages on the server (using rule-based 
techniques if you wish), which I always think is better than leaving 
them there doing nothing.

>I would like Pegasus (or any mail clinet) to be able to do this for me
>automatically based on a set of rules.

It's too long since I last used Pegasus to give any advice about that, 
but certainly Turnpike (free to Demon users) will do what you require.

-- 
Paul Terry

In article <MPG.199ca86338a996bb989852@News.individual.NET>
           newsjul03@ms3.org.uk "Michael Salem" writes:

> On a POP3 system you can't bounce messages back to sender. I don't think 
> this is a good idea anyway, as the bounce always goes to an innocent 
> whose name has been taken in vain anyway.

Not ALWAYS: there ARE occasions on which someone writes to a misspelt
username (or one that has moved on and hence is inactive).  For those
(adnittedly a minority) is IS helpful to bounce the misaddressed mail
rather than discarding it silently.

-- 
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                          bhk@dsl.co.uk
    "We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would.  Yet we are
    untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them".
                                              George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919

john@nospam.demon.co.uk (John McCabe) wrote in
news:3f336ef2.6519594@news.btclick.com: 

> On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:12:42 GMT, Fred Viles
> <fv+abuse@nospam.epitools.com> wrote:
>...
>>A manual process.  Starting with V4.10 (4.12a is current), you
>>can also do server-side filtering which allows for automation. 
>>Message headers and a configurable number of lines of body text
>>can be downloaded and tested with filter rules, and based on the
>>tests messages can be downloaded, deleted, or left on the
>>server. 
> 
> Oh? Can you tell me where it shows how to set that up? I'm using
> 4.12. and can't find anything that looks like that in the
> ruleset stuff. 

Odd, it's been added to the Help file.

Create the ruleset using:
Tools->Mail filtering rules->Create/Edit POP3 rulset...
It's like the regular ruleset editor, but the set of available 
actions is different.

Select a POP3 ruleset to apply to a particular POP server in the 
corresponding POP definition:  Tools->Internet options, Receiving 
(POP3) tab, select a POP definition and click <Edit>, then go to 
the Download Controls tab.

- Fred

JRS:  In article <1060300459snz@dsl.co.uk>, seen in
news:demon.ip.support, Brian {Hamilton Kelly} <bhk@dsl.co.uk> posted at
Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:33:47 :-
>In article <MPG.199ca86338a996bb989852@News.individual.NET>
>           newsjul03@ms3.org.uk "Michael Salem" writes:
>
>> On a POP3 system you can't bounce messages back to sender. I don't think 
>> this is a good idea anyway, as the bounce always goes to an innocent 
>> whose name has been taken in vain anyway.
>
>Not ALWAYS: there ARE occasions on which someone writes to a misspelt
>username (or one that has moved on and hence is inactive).  For those
>(adnittedly a minority) is IS helpful to bounce the misaddressed mail
>rather than discarding it silently.

Indeed.  One may often want to bounce mail that is other than bulk-
strewn spam.

I recall a Merkin who seemed to believe that I would like to get, by E-
mail, a copy of his 200KB Web page whenever it was updated.  I did ask
him not to; but bouncing was much more effective.  It also works to deal
with those who persist in duplicating News in Mail.

There is, ISTM, a need for a protocol that enables a user on a slow link
(standard dial-up, mobile phone, etc.) to do, without wasteful transfer
of data, all that can be done to mail sitting on a server. One should be
able to look at selected header lines of mails, sorted into selected
order, and decide for each one whether it should be bounced, deleted, or
fetched (immediately or later), forwarded, or left for later
consideration.
 
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John McCabe wrote:

> My current ISP is Demon and I am on a standard dial-up account which
> provides me with an SMTP mail feed. I therefore run an SMTP server
> which has a Pegasus gateway and it is configured to reject mail from
> various places. I am now considering switching to Demon ADSL but, for
> some reason, they don't provide an SMTP feed for the home ADSL
> packages!

Are you sure about that?
I'm on Demon ADSL too (in the Netherlands) and there *is* an option for
mailkicks.
I did, however found the following on the UK FAQ pages:
Please note: however that you will only be able to use POP3 mail with a NAT
service.

The NON-NAT option allows you to run Internet accessible servers (eg.
Webserver, VPN server etc.). Only the NON-NAT option allows you to run your
own SMTP mail server. It is worth noting however that as the router is open
and allows access to your network, we strongly recommend that you use a
firewall to protect your network.

--
Regards,
Kuifmans

On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 03:36:24 +0000 (UTC), Fred Viles
<fv+abuse@nospam.epitools.com> wrote:

Fred

Thanks a lot for that. I had been so busy thinking it couldn't be done
that I had only skimmed over the help file and missed that section.
Sorry about that, but hopefully my 'laziness' will be of benefit to
others.

>> Oh? Can you tell me where it shows how to set that up? I'm using
>> 4.12. and can't find anything that looks like that in the
>> ruleset stuff. 
>
>Odd, it's been added to the Help file.
>
>Create the ruleset using:
>Tools->Mail filtering rules->Create/Edit POP3 rulset...
>It's like the regular ruleset editor, but the set of available 
>actions is different.
>
>Select a POP3 ruleset to apply to a particular POP server in the 
>corresponding POP definition:  Tools->Internet options, Receiving 
>(POP3) tab, select a POP definition and click <Edit>, then go to 
>the Download Controls tab.
>
>- Fred


Best Regards
John McCabe

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:34:32 +0200, "Kuifmans" <nospam@nospam.demon.nl>
wrote:

>John McCabe wrote:
>
>> My current ISP is Demon and I am on a standard dial-up account which
>> provides me with an SMTP mail feed. I therefore run an SMTP server
>> which has a Pegasus gateway and it is configured to reject mail from
>> various places. I am now considering switching to Demon ADSL but, for
>> some reason, they don't provide an SMTP feed for the home ADSL
>> packages!
>
>Are you sure about that?

Well that's what I was told by the sales bloke. I've put a long email
together to them pointing out why I think it's a daft idea however....

>I'm on Demon ADSL too (in the Netherlands) and there *is* an option for
>mailkicks.

... I'm not convinced about his excuse for this being the case
(something to do with bandwidth). I seem to remember reading some time
ago that one of the conditions BT (the suppliers of the ADSL
connection) put on the home services of those who use its ADSL links
was that they couldn't supply an SMTP mail feed. This was so that
small businesses etc didn't reduce their costs by running on a 'home'
connection and using servers. If anyone knows any more about this it
would be useful.

FWIW, I *can* get an SMTP feed if I go for a business connections but
that's too expensive for me. Even the cheapest home one will cost me
more than my current subscription plus telephone bills, but I'm
getting fed up waiting for pages to download!


Best Regards
John McCabe

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John McCabe wrote:

>> I'm on Demon ADSL too (in the Netherlands) and there *is* an option
>> for mailkicks.
>
> ... I'm not convinced about his excuse for this being the case
> (something to do with bandwidth). I seem to remember reading some time
> ago that one of the conditions BT (the suppliers of the ADSL
> connection) put on the home services of those who use its ADSL links
> was that they couldn't supply an SMTP mail feed. This was so that
> small businesses etc didn't reduce their costs by running on a 'home'
> connection and using servers. If anyone knows any more about this it
> would be useful.

AFAIK, Demon in the UK uses a slightly different mail system than here in NL,
but I seriously doubt if they deny running any servers from a home
connection... They advertise "all open service" here, but then again the
modems they give out are bridged and not NA(P)T routers (you can get routed
profiles from their FTP and upload it in your modem if you want to, though).
I think the problem may be with BT supplying the ADSL signal, and blocking
certain ports for home connections. Some do that here, too..

> FWIW, I *can* get an SMTP feed if I go for a business connections but
> that's too expensive for me. Even the cheapest home one will cost me
> more than my current subscription plus telephone bills, but I'm
> getting fed up waiting for pages to download!

Maybe the demon.nl.support group can answer your issue. Lots of tech guys post
there (also from the UK so it's not uncommon to post there in English).
--
HTH,
Kuifmans