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msoysal@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) writes:
>
>I am forwarding the message I received from the listowner....See what
>you are supporting...he even replied to an unrelated message....geezz
>

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>* Because of your recent negative comments to the uupc-info list, you have
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>* I have added you to uupc-announce.
>* 
>* While we will be happy to continue to assist you with UUPC/extended
>* questions or problems via mail to help or via telephone, I will _not_
>* have you wasting my and my users time with snide remarks posted to over
>* 250 people.
>* 

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Well, gee.  Couldn't have happened to a *nicer* guy, lemme tellya.

No sympathy from me, Mustafa.


  -Greg
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In article <gergDDwprH.Arw@netcom.com>, Greg Andrews <gerg@netcom.com> wrote:
>msoysal@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) writes:
>>
>>I am forwarding the message I received from the listowner....See what
>>you are supporting...he even replied to an unrelated message....geezz
>>
>
>  [mail header deleted]
>
>>* 
>>* Because of your recent negative comments to the uupc-info list, you have
>>* been dropped from uupc-info.  So that you are informed of new releases,
>>* I have added you to uupc-announce.
>>* 
>>* While we will be happy to continue to assist you with UUPC/extended
>>* questions or problems via mail to help or via telephone, I will _not_
>>* have you wasting my and my users time with snide remarks posted to over
>>* 250 people.
>>* 
>
>  [remainder of message deleted]
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>
>
>Well, gee.  Couldn't have happened to a *nicer* guy, lemme tellya.
>
>No sympathy from me, Mustafa.

Do you still lie about the RS232 Standard?


>
>
>  -Greg
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In article <gergDE5v9G.9My@netcom.com>, Greg Andrews <gerg@netcom.com> wrote:
>os2-l@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) writes:
>>In article <gergDDwprH.Arw@netcom.com>, Greg Andrews <gerg@netcom.com> wrote:
>>>msoysal@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) writes:
>>>
>>>No sympathy from me, Mustafa.
>>
>>Do you still lie about the RS232 Standard?
>>
>
>No, Mustafa.  I've never lied about the RS232C/D, nor the CCITT/ITU V.24
>standards.

Yes you did Greg.  Get on the ITU and see it for yourself, besides you
lied about the v.23, nice try.

v.24 is not RS232 C,D etc

>
>You still haven't produced any portions of the spec that contradict
>my arguments.  I didn't think you would.  I don't think you can.

Hey, you still didn't address what was printed in the Telebit Manual. 
"RI follows the ring voltage cadence...." or similar.  I am too lazy to
open the manual again.

The standard sound about the same.

>
>Show me where I'm wrong and I'll shut up, but not until then.

The problem is, it has been shown to you several times, but you choose
to live in denial.  See a doctor.

>
>  -Greg
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>                 nor can it be returned without a receipt.
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os2-l@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) writes:
>In article <gergDE5v9G.9My@netcom.com>, Greg Andrews <gerg@netcom.com> wrote:
>>os2-l@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) writes:
>>>In article <gergDDwprH.Arw@netcom.com>, Greg Andrews <gerg@netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>msoysal@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) writes:
>>>>
>>>>No sympathy from me, Mustafa.
>>>
>>>Do you still lie about the RS232 Standard?
>>>
>>
>>No, Mustafa.  I've never lied about the RS232C/D, nor the CCITT/ITU V.24
>>standards.
>
>Yes you did Greg.  Get on the ITU and see it for yourself, besides you
>lied about the v.23, nice try.
>

I quoted the relevant passage of V.24 to you when we debated this before.
I couldn't find an authoritative source for RS232C/D, and said so.  I asked
you for your source, and you didn't produce it.  You couldn't even quote
it.  Strange, because you were the one who claimed the Telebit modems
didn't conform to RS232 or V.24 in the first place.  When I asked you to
name and quote your source, you switched to saying the modem didn't follow
its own manual.

I'm not sure what V.23 has to do with the RI pin on the RS232 connector.
V.23 is a modulation, not the RS232 interface spec.

The debate we had whether V.23 is an asymmetric (as the spec says) or
half-duplex modulation has nothing to do with the RS232 issue.  Blowing
smoke again, Mustafa?

>
>v.24 is not RS232 C,D etc
>

Er, bullshit?  It's the CCITT/ITU equivalent to RS232C/D.  Have you
forgotten this already?


>>
>>You still haven't produced any portions of the spec that contradict
>>my arguments.  I didn't think you would.  I don't think you can.
>
>Hey, you still didn't address what was printed in the Telebit Manual. 
>"RI follows the ring voltage cadence...." or similar.  I am too lazy to
>open the manual again.
>

And too lazy to find the spec you claim to quote.

V.24 doesn't say "cadence".  It just says "ring voltage".

>
>The standard sound about the same.
>

Prove it.

>>
>>Show me where I'm wrong and I'll shut up, but not until then.
>
>The problem is, it has been shown to you several times, but you choose
>to live in denial.  See a doctor.
>

You've shown nothing more than what you have in this discussion.
Just your word that the RS232 spec is violated.  No source for
the spec, not quote.  My word alone isn't sufficient as proof, so 
I've quoted from the authoritative sources that are available to me.
Your word isn't any more sufficient than mine, but you haven't
quoted your sources.  You've just given your word.  Not enough.

I've quoted V.24 to you, showing how the wording is vague enough to
allow Telebits to behave the way they do, and other folks on
comp.dcom.modems confirmed my quote was accurate and agreed with me.
(that was when you stopped claiming violation of V.24, BTW)
You haven't quoted any sources at all.  If you're sure the RS232
description has different wording than V.24, then name your source
and quote it.

Instead, you shift your argument to the modem documentation, and insults.
I would think you would leap eagerly at the chance to rub my nose in my
error, but you don't.  Why is that?  Why won't you take advantage of the
chance to prove I'm wrong and you're right?

The reason is that no such proof exists, and you know it.


  -Greg
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In article <gergDEIpJw.3nC@netcom.com>, Greg Andrews <gerg@netcom.com> wrote:
>os2-l@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) writes:
>>In article <gergDE5v9G.9My@netcom.com>, Greg Andrews <gerg@netcom.com> wrote:
>>>os2-l@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) writes:
>>>>In article <gergDDwprH.Arw@netcom.com>, Greg Andrews <gerg@netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>msoysal@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>No sympathy from me, Mustafa.
>>>>
>>>>Do you still lie about the RS232 Standard?
>>>>
>>>
>>>No, Mustafa.  I've never lied about the RS232C/D, nor the CCITT/ITU V.24
>>>standards.
>>
>>Yes you did Greg.  Get on the ITU and see it for yourself, besides you
>>lied about the v.23, nice try.
>>
>
>I quoted the relevant passage of V.24 to you when we debated this before.

V.24 is not RS232, it does not have the signal in question.

>I couldn't find an authoritative source for RS232C/D, and said so.  I asked
>you for your source, and you didn't produce it.  You couldn't even quote

I did produce you your own manual to start with Gregh.  You are lying again.

>it.  Strange, because you were the one who claimed the Telebit modems
>didn't conform to RS232 or V.24 in the first place.  When I asked you to

I never said anything about v.24.  You are lying again.

>name and quote your source, you switched to saying the modem didn't follow
>its own manual.

It doesn't does it?

>
>I'm not sure what V.23 has to do with the RI pin on the RS232 connector.
>V.23 is a modulation, not the RS232 interface spec.

v.23 has to do with full-duplex, half-duplex, switched simplex.  That is
the second discussion when you were lying your butt off.

>
>The debate we had whether V.23 is an asymmetric (as the spec says) or
>half-duplex modulation has nothing to do with the RS232 issue.  Blowing
>smoke again, Mustafa?

You are the one lying again, and trying to confuse the reader.  Let them
decide who is the smoker...

>
>>
>>v.24 is not RS232 C,D etc
>>
>
>Er, bullshit?  It's the CCITT/ITU equivalent to RS232C/D.  Have you
>forgotten this already?

No, it is not the equivalent.  You are speading shit again.  It is a
current loop!.  Even the way it is defined to work is different.  No
wonder the disaster with the modems you are involved with.

>
>
>>>
>>>You still haven't produced any portions of the spec that contradict
>>>my arguments.  I didn't think you would.  I don't think you can.
>>
>>Hey, you still didn't address what was printed in the Telebit Manual. 
>>"RI follows the ring voltage cadence...." or similar.  I am too lazy to
>>open the manual again.
>>
>
>And too lazy to find the spec you claim to quote.

It is more than enough to expose an idiot like you.

>
>V.24 doesn't say "cadence".  It just says "ring voltage".

;) I am surprized that it says anything about ring voltage.

What does the Telebit manual say, you moron?

>
>>
>>The standard sound about the same.
>>
>
>Prove it.

Who cares, even the manual text is enough to show that the modem doesn't
comply with it.  And you are an incompetent person who has been working
on things he should not.

>
>>>
>>>Show me where I'm wrong and I'll shut up, but not until then.
>>
>>The problem is, it has been shown to you several times, but you choose
>>to live in denial.  See a doctor.
>>
>
>You've shown nothing more than what you have in this discussion.
>Just your word that the RS232 spec is violated.  No source for
>the spec, not quote.  My word alone isn't sufficient as proof, so 
>I've quoted from the authoritative sources that are available to me.
>Your word isn't any more sufficient than mine, but you haven't
>quoted your sources.  You've just given your word.  Not enough.

Read the above.

>
>I've quoted V.24 to you, showing how the wording is vague enough to
>allow Telebits to behave the way they do, and other folks on
>comp.dcom.modems confirmed my quote was accurate and agreed with me.

Your other accounts....:)

>(that was when you stopped claiming violation of V.24, BTW)

Liar, I never claimed violation of v.24.  You are trying to save your as
by lying again....

>You haven't quoted any sources at all.  If you're sure the RS232
>description has different wording than V.24, then name your source
>and quote it.

I am still waiting about your position on the text what telebits own
manual says....You can't even read your own product manuals can you?

>
>Instead, you shift your argument to the modem documentation, and insults.

Yeah, a piece of shit like you needs to be flushed out of this business.

>I would think you would leap eagerly at the chance to rub my nose in my
>error, but you don't.  Why is that?  Why won't you take advantage of the
>chance to prove I'm wrong and you're right?

It has been proven and is over.

>
>The reason is that no such proof exists, and you know it.

The proof exists, and furthermore proof exists that you choose to live
in denial.

>
>
>  -Greg
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>ObGuindon:  The fad of throwing tofu, Japanese bean curd, at the
>            ceilings of restaurants to see how long it will stick
>            has really gotten out of hand in some cities.
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os2-l@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) writes:

> [...]

*plonk*

Somebody ought to take this raving idiot off the net.

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               currently reading: Stephen King, The Stand
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Greg Andrews (gerg@netcom.com) wrote:

[ episode #6 of the Greg and Mustafa Show deleted ]

Will you two girls take this offline and spare the rest of us?

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In article <42ppim$4v9@mips.pfalz.de>,
Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.pfalz.de> wrote:
>os2-l@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) writes:
>
>> [...]
>
>*plonk*
>
>Somebody ought to take this raving idiot off the net.

What's wrong, stunned by the facts?

>
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>Christian 'naddy' Weisgerber                         naddy@mips.pfalz.de
>               currently reading: Stephen King, The Stand
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