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In article <jcb.677187914@lupine>, jcb@NCD.COM (Jim Becker) writes:
> I hesitate to get involved in this, but here goes...
> 
> arctngnt@amiganet.chi.il.us (Bowie J Poag) writes:
> 
> [Overzealous Arctngnt posting deleted]
> 
> No  --  you  are  wrong. The problem has been with the parent company,
> Commodore  Business  Machines.  The  technology is great, and has been
> great, for six years. However, CBM has not nurtured the  machine,  and
> has in fact created the rut into which the Amiga has languished.
>

I have been a Amiga supporter since 1985.  I have watched Commodore
change and grow from essentially a wreck to a real computer company.
I am so tired of the 'Commodore' bashing.  Yes, they could spend more
on advertising, and yes, overall the company could be managed better,
but they _have_ nurtured the machine.

Remember, management approves of the work done by engineering.   The
management of Commodore have not screwed up the Amiga technology.  In
fact, it has been improved.  Consider the Amiga 3000!

> There were many people working for the success of the Amiga for years,
> some of them doing Multimedia (myself included). Over time  developers
> got frustrated at the antics and  lack  of  support  from  the  parent
> company for their own machine. Hence most all of  the  original  Amiga
> zealots  and supporters have changed over the years, replaced by those
> that know nothing of the history of the machine - and why  it's  where
> it is today.

Can you give a decent example of support that you expect that you did
not get or is not available now?   CATS has been very supportive of my
efforts.

> 
> There continue to be waves of Amiga zealots, and there should  be  for
> the capability of the machine. However you will grow up and understand
> why  the  NeXT  has  a  true chance of success for Multimedia, and the
> Amiga doesn't. "Capability" and "potential" don't make the machine  --
> success is a lot more complex than mere technical prowess and facts.
> 

Giggle...

Let me see if I understand what you are saying.  You are saying that 
because of  Commodore management that people are going to rush to the
NeXT for their multimedia needs?   I kinda doubt it.  I suspect that
all that will happen is that Bill Gate's nightmare that he calls 
'multimedia' will get accepted by the blind masses.   Everytime I
think about the MMPC I simply want to toss my cookies.

The NeXT is in the same position as Commodore.  The NeXT does not
run MS/DOS, it has its own idea of a windowing system, and frankly
has just as bad marketing practices.  

Now lets consider the machine:  NeXT has a 'bastard' machine that 
costs too much and is not supported enough to make people say "Yes, 
the NeXT is the solution", instead they are saying "At this price, 
why not buy a Sun?"  

Don't start singing 'educational discount' as the people that will
use multimedia for commercial uses will not qualify for this 
discount.

I think Commodore has carefully put the A3000 in the position so that
the question of "Why not buy a Sun?" is not asked.  NeXT has missed
the concept of 'value for the dollar' and that is not surprising 
considering the heritage of management.

> 
>     So the prepetual cycle of ignorance continues to this day. 
> 

That we agree on.

> 	[ ... ]
> 
>     My advice to you is to pick up an Amiga sometimes. You seem ill-informed. Theh
>     mabye youll stop your >>>>>NeXT/Amiga whining.
> 
> There are plenty of used ones available on the network.. I sold mine for $200.

I see your true colors show.  You are a ex-A1000 owner.   That explains a lot
of your message.  I also have a A1000, and had it since 1985.  It is a nice
machine.   I certainly will admit that the A1000 did not see the same support
that the rest of the Amiga line has.

Take another look, the Commodore of 1986 does not exist anymore.

> 
> -- 
> --  
>  -Jim Becker / jcb@ncd.com   /   Network Computing Devices, Inc. (NCD)

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