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In article <16DEC199215294682@carat.arizona.edu>, jms@Arizona.EDU 
tells it JUST like it is:

#In article <1992Dec15.143628.4673@spcvxb.spc.edu>, killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu
#(Jeff Killeen) drones and then finally concludes...
# 
#>Does it happen - no not really mainly because the
#>1000 or so leaders really aren't that far out of the main stream with the
#>10,000 or so active members...

Joel explains to him:

# 
#Au contraire, my good MC representative, responsible for supporting my
#interests as a LUG member and speaker.  In fact, the highest levels of
#DECUS leadership are strongly at odds with the consumers of DECUS products. 
# 
#Pay attention and you'll begin to figure it out:
..
# 
#Now, you can argue that spending a week in Las Vegas playing backroom
#politics is a good experience.  It prepares you for the vigors of real
#business, and trains you in the art of backstabbing, compromise, meeting,
#and consensus.  However: this is not why the "10,000 or so active" members
#come to the event.
..
#There are many leaders, myself included, who would be happy to take a
#greater role in DECUS products---if doing so didn't require sitting on MC. 
#The MC has so far forgotten what the goal of the society is that they
#deliberately interrupt the REAL activities of the week for their own
#business.  Witness the way a seminar speaker was pulled out of a
#seminar---filled with PAYING ATTENDEES WHO WERE INTERESTED IN WHAT HE HAD
#TO SAY---so that the MC could grill him in person.  Or the way a chair was
#forced to spend an entire afternoon in MC meetings, fighting backroom,
#secret politics---while the sessions he was supposed to give fell to
#unprepared pinch-hitters during that time.  Sure, the PAYING ATTENDEES lost
#out on an experience, but how could the MC relate to that?
# 
#Sure, MC could do all of their meeting after 5PM.  But why bother?  No one
#in MC is missing that many sessions, and after 5PM is when all of the
#DECUS-funded suites and dinners begin to start.  

	Well said, Joel.  The Management Council has successfully
	demonstrated their ability to represent their own self-
	interests and an ability to voraciously spend money.  Nothing
	else.

#Jeff, here's a challenge: "survey" the MC (after all, research is the new
#methodology) and get a list of sessions they attended.  Or gave.  Then,
#let's see who's out of touch with whom.

	Joel, again you hit the nail right on the head.  If you're
	ever around my neck of the woods, let me buy you a drink!

#Joel M Snyder, 1103 E Spring Street, Tucson, AZ, 85719 
#Phone: 602.882.4094 (voice) .4095 (FAX) .4093 (data)
#BITNET: jms@Arizona  Internet: jms@arizona.edu  SPAN: 47541::telcom::jms
#Yow!  I'm imagining a surfer van filled with soy sauce!

	Ehud

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Ehud Gavron        (EG76)     
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PARDON me, am I speaking ENGLISH?