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In article <27FEB91165351@mrsvax.mis.arizona.edu>, jms@mis.arizona.edu (Joel M Snyder) writes:
> By now, you* should all have received your DECUS Board of Directors ballot
> form.  
> 
> I think that it is time to send a message to the Board that they need to be
> in greater touch with the membership, and that some stronger consideration
> of the minority viewpoint is appropriate. 
> 
> Therefore, I am voting as follows:  pick two of the best qualified
> directors, and vote for them.  Then, write in "Ray Kaplan" on the form, and
> vote for him.  Make some marks so that the mark-sense machine throws out
> your ballot and some person has to figure out what you have done. 
> 
> As with any independent candidate, there is no chance that Ray would win. 
> And you would be, in a sense, throwing your vote away.
> 
> While Ray may not be the best person for the job, at least he represents a
> viewpoint which seems to be far away from the normal decorum that the Board
> normally shows.  Even if you don't agree with his point of view regarding
> the Las Vegas Mitnick incident, I hope you agree that his questioning of
> the status quo is a healthy attitude, and should be encouraged among
> whichever board members do get elected.
> 
> jms
> 
> Joel M Snyder, 627 E Speedway, 85705  Phone: 602.626.8680 FAX: 602.795.0900
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> 
> * you = US readers only.

While I agree with Joel's points, I don't agree with his method.  Every vote 
will make a big difference in this election.  The results of this election 
may change the course of the DECUS US Chapter.  There are definitely two sides 
in this election and people need to vote for one side or the other.

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In article <27FEB91165351@mrsvax.mis.arizona.edu>, jms@mis.arizona.edu (Joel M Snyder) writes:
> I think that it is time to send a message to the Board that they need to be
> in greater touch with the membership, and that some stronger consideration
> of the minority viewpoint is appropriate. 
:
> While Ray may not be the best person for the job, at least he represents a
> viewpoint which seems to be far away from the normal decorum that the Board
> normally shows.
:
> ...questioning of
> the status quo is a healthy attitude, and should be encouraged among
> whichever board members do get elected.

From perusing the Biography and Candidate Statement literature which
came with my DECUS ballot, I notice a few candidates which sound
dissatisfied along these lines.  Some excerpts:

	"Both the Board of Directors and the Management Council,
	as institutions, have failed us in several important
	ways.  These failures must be corrected."

	"Our current Board selection criteria precludes us from
	seeking out industry `movers and shakers' who, I believe,
	we must embrace..."

	"DECUS is out of balance.  I want the balance restored,
	without sacrificing the good we have."

	"Recently, however, I have noticed that some leadership
	in the Chapter seem more concerned with organizational
	matters rather than furthering the mission of the Chapter."
	 
Without naming names, I suggest that there are voting options
available which seem to send messages similar to Joel's.

I would hope that all concerned DECUS members would spend the time
to learn about the candidates and vote wisely.  Don't let apathy
or procrastination keep your needs from being communicated.  Vote.

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I can only assume that *some* of the candidates have been
following the various threads regarding the sorry state
of DECUS -- any comments from them?

Richard Bowles
bowles@stsci.edu

In article <2325@ghost.stsci.edu>, bowles@stsci.EDU (Richard Bowles) writes:

#I can only assume that *some* of the candidates have been
#following the various threads regarding the sorry state
#of DECUS -- any comments from them?

A recent comment that I heard at a DECUS meeting was that the "upper crust" of
the DECUS leadership pays little attention to the network.  This is in sharp
contrast to other elements of DECUS (e.g. Unisig, Vax SIG, Library, DECUServe,
Etc.) which use the network as a source of information and as a means to
communicate.

I see postings from various elements of the DECUS leadership every day.  It's
funny how none of these postings come from board members.

Cheers,
John 'Fast-Eddie' McMahon
"Although I am a member of the UNISIG Steering Committee, these opinions are my
own"

In article <1991Feb28.105123.44@kahuna.asd-yf.wpafb.af.mil>, nieland_t@kahuna.asd-yf.wpafb.af.mil writes:

#
#While I agree with Joel's points, I don't agree with his method.  Every vote 
#will make a big difference in this election.  The results of this election 
#may change the course of the DECUS US Chapter.  There are definitely two sides 
#in this election and people need to vote for one side or the other.

It is becoming more and more apparent to me how much of an effect this election
could have on DECUS.  I would be interested in hearing more on why "you" (you
being the comp.org.decus reader) feel a particular candidate is right (or
wrong) for the job.  I don't want to start a flame festival... however lets
hear some objective commentary on why someone should vote for person X.

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mcmahon@tgv.com (John 'Fast-Eddie' McMahon) writes:

>It is becoming more and more apparent to me how much of an effect this election
>could have on DECUS.  I would be interested in hearing more on why "you" (you
>being the comp.org.decus reader) feel a particular candidate is right (or
>wrong) for the job.  I don't want to start a flame festival... however lets
>hear some objective commentary on why someone should vote for person X.

>--
>John 'Fast-Eddie' McMahon    :    MCMAHON@TGV.COM    : TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
>TGV, Incorporated            :                       :    T   GGGGGGG  V     V
>603 Mission Street           : HAVK (abha) Gur bayl  :    T  G          V   V
>Santa Cruz, California 95060 : bcrengvat flfgrz gb   :    T  G    GGGG   V V
>408-427-4366 or 800-TGV-3440 : or qrfgeblrq ol znvy  :    T   GGGGGGG     V


O.K, so what is your opinion?  TGV was certainly well represented in
Las Vegas and their sessions were a pleasant break from the sales
hype -- but some (myself *NOT* included) could argue that those 
sessions represented the "edge" of the bylaws regarding third-party 
products and commercialism.

In other words,  I would assume some strong and backable opinions
from you and your organization. (and you probably have some
flame-resistant attire anyway)

Richard Bowles
bowles@stsci.edu

I certainly hope you had the decency to ASK Ray Kaplan before you
suggested to the gathered readership that they waste a vote by writing
his name in as a candidate for the DECUS Board of Directors.

I say waste, because from a cursory look at the DECUS By-Laws and the
Policy and Procedures for the US Chapter of DECUS, there is no mechanism
for having a write-in candidate, once the candidates for an election
have been selected.  However, during the candidate selection process, it
is possible to write-in candidates which do not meet the "LDEC criteria"
which are defined in the aforementioned documents.

For those who can't get at them, the following is from the Policy and
PRocedures document of the US Chapter Board:

	3.1.2   Objective Criteria for Candidates
	 
	     Candidates for the  Board  of  Directors  must meet the
	     following objective criteria:
	 
	     -Must have been a DECUS U.S. Chapter member for the
	      last three years.
	     -Must have attended three symposia in the last three
	      fiscal years of DECUS (July 1 to June 30)
	     -Must have held a major leadership position(s) in DECUS
	      for a minimum of one year
	     -Must commit to the time required to hold a seat on the
	      Board of Directors
	     -Must submit a completed application by the deadlines
	      specified in the Election Schedule.
	 
	     In addition, candidates  will  be  evaluated on his/her
	     demonstrated ability to:
	 
	     -Administer an organization
	     -Manage and influence people
	     -Build and mobilize a volunteer organization
	     -Mobilize a volunteer organization so that established
	      organization mission and goals are achieved
	     -Be an effective team member
	     -Communicate effectively both orally and in writing
	     -Have a working knowledge of DECUS

	3.1.3   Petition Process
	 
	     Any applicant who  meets  the  objective criteria shall
	     beplaced on the  ballot.  This constitutes the petition
	     process required by the By-laws.
	 
	3.1.4   Campaigning and Electioneering Policy
	 
	3.1.4.1 Publications
	 
	     Any group within DECUS  that  wishes  to comment on the
	     Board of Directors' election in its publication(s) must
	     provide an opportunity  for  all  candidates  to make a
	     statement in the  same  issue,  so  that all candidates
	     will have an equal opportunity for visibility.
	 
There are 8 candidates running for the US Chapter's Board of
Directors.  All of them have been blessed by LDEC.  I know all of them
personally.  As a member of the US Chapter of DECUS, you get to vote
for 3 of them.  If you had wanted Ray Kaplan on the ballot, and if Ray
was interested in being on the ballot, you could have done so several
months ago, when candidates for the positions on the board were being
sought.  

You can do more good for the society by CAREFULLY reading the candidate
biographies and statements before you vote, then by throwing your vote
away.


Kurt Reisler (703) 359-6100
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In article <2330@ghost.stsci.edu>, bowles@stsci.EDU (Richard Bowles) writes:
#mcmahon@tgv.com (John 'Fast-Eddie' McMahon) writes:

#
#O.K, so what is your opinion?  TGV was certainly well represented in
#Las Vegas and their sessions were a pleasant break from the sales
#hype -- but some (myself *NOT* included) could argue that those 
#sessions represented the "edge" of the bylaws regarding third-party 
#products and commercialism.

Well, I guess my first comment is that many of the sessions we give are
standard technical talks.  They are intended to be information sharing... 
like any other DECUS talk.

Obviously, our update session does cover our product.  I think it follows the
same format that anyone else (DEC, Other Third Parties, Etc.) has used at
DECUS.  We don't say prices, we try to keep the talk to features and futures,
and we try to answer user questions.  We are conscience of the rules, and we do
our best to stick to them.

The group who does DECUS scheduling ultimately decides what is appropriate and
what is not at any given symposium.  As long as that entity is unbiased (which
I think it is) I think DECUS will do fine.

One note is that we won't be giving an update session at Atlanta.  We submitted
it, but I have gotten the impression that all update sessions were dropped due
to lack of hours.  That seems reasonable to me.

As for the election...  Well, I am still gathering opinions on who I am going
to vote for.  I have read the ballot carefully, I read the ADL report which has
generated a fair amount of the controversy, I've seen the comments posted to
the network (most notably Killeen's and Everhart's), and I have spoken to a few
folks to get their opinions.  After all that, I'm looking for more input, hense
my original posting on the subject.

Somehow, I suspect I'm not the only one.

Cheers,
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603 Mission Street           : HAVK (abha) Gur bayl  :    T  G          V   V
Santa Cruz, California 95060 : bcrengvat flfgrz gb   :    T  G    GGGG   V V
408-427-4366 or 800-TGV-3440 : or qrfgeblrq ol znvy  :    T   GGGGGGG     V