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gbarru01@hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us (Gary G. Barrueto) wrote:

>I'm about to get ISDN this week :) but I still need to decide what ISDN 
>device I want to purchase. I know I want something I can use via the 
>serial port. The ones I've been thinking about are:
>
>Motorola TA 210 (does this do 2B connects?)
>Motorola Bitsurfer
>Motorola Bitsurfer Pro

The Motorola TA 210 and Motorola Bitsurfer are one and the same.

The Bitsurfer Pro is a TA 210 with dual POTS ports.  It is otherwise
yet another Bitsurfer/TA-210.

You might want to look into the ADTRAN ISU-EXPRESS.  It's considerably 
more expensive than the Motorola BS Pro, but is a very robust product.

Another nifty-keen serial port compatible TA is the new USRobotics
I-Modem (external).  The USR doesn't yet do 2B, but is supposedly just 
a flash rom upgrade away from being able to do so.  According to posts
I've read, the USR will get 2B Bonding sometime during the 1st quarter
of this year.

Possibly the holdup on that point is that there's supposed to be a new
bonding protocol under development & study, alledgedly superior to
mpp.


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gbarru01@hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us (Gary G. Barrueto) wrote:
>I'm about to get ISDN this week :) but I still need to decide what ISDN 
>device I want to purchase. I know I want something I can use via the 
>serial port. The ones I've been thinking about are:
>
>Motorola TA 210 (does this do 2B connects?)
>Motorola Bitsurfer
>Motorola Bitsurfer Pro
>Digi Datafire (only heard about this)
>3Com Impact (w/o built-in modem) int/ext
>
>the 3Com internel version seems great but I don't know if it ca be used 
>via any communation program <minicom>.. plus it offers STAC compression :).. 
>I just want something that can do 2B 128K connects.. and works with 
>PacBell ISDN lines and can connect 128K to acsend thanks!

The Datafire has compression + it costs less than $300. The Adtran ISU express
(data only) costs $315 and the BitSURFR Pro costs $345. The problem with
internal modems is that they may not work with Linux. The problem with external
modems is that they are restricted to 115K because of the serial port (and may
not be able to do 2B 128K speeds). Hate to say it, but the easiest and BEST way
to go is with Ascend and ethernet ports. Pipeline 25 costs $600 and Pipeline 50
HX costs $900 (best of the best solutions).

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Gary G. Barrueto wrote:
> 
> I'm about to get ISDN this week :) but I still need to decide what ISDN
> device I want to purchase. I know I want something I can use via the
> serial port. The ones I've been thinking about are:

If you want to go via the serial port, the DataFire is out.  It emulates
a NIC (Network Interface Card) and requires drivers. There is currently
only driver support for Windows NT and WFW/RAS.  Works pretty good under
NT, though, as long as you don't need MLPPP.  Win95 drivers are supposedly
imminent.

> 
> Motorola TA 210 (does this do 2B connects?)
> Motorola Bitsurfer
> Motorola Bitsurfer Pro
> Digi Datafire (only heard about this)
> 3Com Impact (w/o built-in modem) int/ext

If you don't already have a v.34 modem, you might want to consider the USR
Courier I-Modem.  It's a bit spendy ($600-$800), but is a solid unit, and it
does v.34 emulation.  Two potential drawbacks: no MLPPP or BONDing, and it
can't "simulate" DTMF after connecting an analog call, so you can't call
analog modems which live on PBX extensions.

I've been evaluating the DataFire, BS Pro and Courier I-Modem, and have found
that each has its strong points and annoying quirks.  Hopefully someday I'll
be able to summarize them...

> 
> the 3Com internel version seems great but I don't know if it ca be used
> via any communation program <minicom>.. plus it offers STAC compression :)..
> I just want something that can do 2B 128K connects.. and works with
> PacBell ISDN lines and can connect 128K to acsend thanks!
> 
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Frank Weissig <faw@teleport.com> wrote:

>Gary G. Barrueto wrote:
>> 
>> I'm about to get ISDN this week :) but I still need to decide what ISDN
>> device I want to purchase. I know I want something I can use via the
>> serial port. The ones I've been thinking about are:
>
>If you want to go via the serial port, the DataFire is out.  It emulates
>a NIC (Network Interface Card) and requires drivers. There is currently
>only driver support for Windows NT and WFW/RAS.  Works pretty good under
>NT, though, as long as you don't need MLPPP.  Win95 drivers are supposedly
>imminent.
>
>> 
>> Motorola TA 210 (does this do 2B connects?)
>> Motorola Bitsurfer
>> Motorola Bitsurfer Pro
>> Digi Datafire (only heard about this)
>> 3Com Impact (w/o built-in modem) int/ext
>
>If you don't already have a v.34 modem, you might want to consider the USR
>Courier I-Modem.  It's a bit spendy ($600-$800), but is a solid unit, and it
>does v.34 emulation.  Two potential drawbacks: no MLPPP or BONDing, and it
>can't "simulate" DTMF after connecting an analog call, so you can't call
>analog modems which live on PBX extensions.

Geez, if you are gonna spend $800 why not spend a bit more and go all
the way?? Get a ethernet ISDN router like a pipeline 25 and get MPP
and compression  True, it doesn't do v.34, but I stuck my old v.34
into one of the pots jacks, and I can FINALLY really get 28.8k
connections (before, my analog line wasn't good for much over 24k...)

Getting away from the #$@$ serial I/O makes a huge difference in the
system performance, especially if you like to do more than one thing
at a time instead of waiting for downloads....

-jrp

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> Frank Weissig <faw@teleport.com> wrote:
> 
> >Gary G. Barrueto wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'm about to get ISDN this week :) but I still need to decide what ISDN
> >> device I want to purchase. I know I want something I can use via the
> >> serial port. The ones I've been thinking about are:
> >
> >If you want to go via the serial port, the DataFire is out.  It emulates
> >a NIC (Network Interface Card) and requires drivers. There is currently
> >only driver support for Windows NT and WFW/RAS.  Works pretty good under
> >NT, though, as long as you don't need MLPPP.  Win95 drivers are supposedly
> >imminent.
> >
> >> 
> >> Motorola TA 210 (does this do 2B connects?)
> >> Motorola Bitsurfer
> >> Motorola Bitsurfer Pro
> >> Digi Datafire (only heard about this)
> >> 3Com Impact (w/o built-in modem) int/ext
> >
> >If you don't already have a v.34 modem, you might want to consider the USR
> >Courier I-Modem.  It's a bit spendy ($600-$800), but is a solid unit, and it
> >does v.34 emulation.  Two potential drawbacks: no MLPPP or BONDing, and it
> >can't "simulate" DTMF after connecting an analog call, so you can't call
> >analog modems which live on PBX extensions.
> 
> Geez, if you are gonna spend $800 why not spend a bit more and go all
> the way?? Get a ethernet ISDN router like a pipeline 25 and get MPP
> and compression  True, it doesn't do v.34, but I stuck my old v.34
> into one of the pots jacks, and I can FINALLY really get 28.8k
> connections (before, my analog line wasn't good for much over 24k...)
> 
> Getting away from the #$@$ serial I/O makes a huge difference in the
> system performance, especially if you like to do more than one thing
> at a time instead of waiting for downloads....
> 
> -jrp
  
      
    John, let me get this right......If I use an analog modem on an ISDN
digital line I will be charged at a digital rate.  Correct?  Thanks.
 
>Ken

kdool@netvoyage.net (Kenneth D. Dool) writes:

>      
>    John, let me get this right......If I use an analog modem on an ISDN
>digital line I will be charged at a digital rate.  Correct?  Thanks.
> 

If you use a modem plugging into a POTS jack, or modem emulator
s/w; you are calling an analog POTS line. That's a voice call.
You can't make a data call to a POTS line.

But be advised, here in Bell Awful land, a voice call can cost
more than a data one.....


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Kenneth D. Dool wrote:
> 
> In article <3106064e.3509444@199.182.102.2>, pierce@diamondmm.com (John R
> Pierce) wrote:<stuff deleted due to unfriendly news server>
> > >
> > >If you don't already have a v.34 modem, you might want to consider the USR
> > >Courier I-Modem.  It's a bit spendy ($600-$800), but is a solid unit, and it
> > >does v.34 emulation.  Two potential drawbacks: no MLPPP or BONDing, and it
> > >can't "simulate" DTMF after connecting an analog call, so you can't call
> > >analog modems which live on PBX extensions.
> >
> > Geez, if you are gonna spend $800 why not spend a bit more and go all
> > the way?? Get a ethernet ISDN router like a pipeline 25 and get MPP
> > and compression  True, it doesn't do v.34, but I stuck my old v.34
> > into one of the pots jacks, and I can FINALLY really get 28.8k
> > connections (before, my analog line wasn't good for much over 24k...)


Note that I said "if you don't already have a v.34 modem."  Also, the $800 is 
probably high.  I don't know where the street price is going to end up, so I quoted 
the range.  My company paid $600 for a quantity-one reseller price.

> >
> > Getting away from the #$@$ serial I/O makes a huge difference in the
> > system performance, especially if you like to do more than one thing
> > at a time instead of waiting for downloads....
> >
> > -jrp
> 
> 
>     John, let me get this right......If I use an analog modem on an ISDN
> digital line I will be charged at a digital rate.  Correct?  Thanks.
> 
> >Ken

Wtong.  It'll be a voice (or 3.1 kHz audio) call.

Kenneth D. Dool wrote:
> 
> In article <3106064e.3509444@199.182.102.2>, pierce@diamondmm.com (John R
> Pierce) wrote:<stuff deleted due to unfriendly news server>
> > >
> > >If you don't already have a v.34 modem, you might want to consider the USR
> > >Courier I-Modem.  It's a bit spendy ($600-$800), but is a solid unit, and it
> > >does v.34 emulation.  Two potential drawbacks: no MLPPP or BONDing, and it
> > >can't "simulate" DTMF after connecting an analog call, so you can't call
> > >analog modems which live on PBX extensions.
> >
> > Geez, if you are gonna spend $800 why not spend a bit more and go all
> > the way?? Get a ethernet ISDN router like a pipeline 25 and get MPP
> > and compression  True, it doesn't do v.34, but I stuck my old v.34
> > into one of the pots jacks, and I can FINALLY really get 28.8k
> > connections (before, my analog line wasn't good for much over 24k...)


Note that I said "if you don't already have a v.34 modem."  Also, the $800 is 
probably high.  I don't know where the street price is going to end up, so I quoted 
the range.  My company paid $600 for a quantity-one reseller price.

> >
> > Getting away from the #$@$ serial I/O makes a huge difference in the
> > system performance, especially if you like to do more than one thing
> > at a time instead of waiting for downloads....
> >
> > -jrp
> 
> 
>     John, let me get this right......If I use an analog modem on an ISDN
> digital line I will be charged at a digital rate.  Correct?  Thanks.
> 
> >Ken

Wrong.  It'll be a voice (or 3.1 kHz audio) call.

In article <31097ED1.13F4@teleport.com>, faw@teleport.com says...

>>     John, let me get this right......If I use an analog modem on an ISDN
>> digital line I will be charged at a digital rate.  Correct?  Thanks.

>Wrong.  It'll be a voice (or 3.1 kHz audio) call.

However, it appears that under PacBell's proposed (not approved at this
time) tariff, voice *and* data calls made on ISDN lines will cost 
double what they'd cost on POTS lines.  Unless the ISDN line is Centrex,
of course, in which case they'd cost the same as analog Centrex.
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