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wade <wade@powerup.com.au> wrote in article
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> Hello I've tried to partition my drive with Fips (1.5), but,
> it doesn't work.......
> i followed all the directions carefully but when it checks
> the file system it says 'Error unknown file system : 0BH'

You have the disk formatted as Fat32 (or "large disk support" in FDISK)

Dunno if FIPS can deal with this ; you may be screwed.

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File system type "0B" indicates FAT32, which is not supported by FIPS.

Either repartition your drive manually with fdisk (destroying all content)
or get System Commander (commercial), which can resize FAT32 partitions.

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wade wrote in message <349A5FEE.79259395@powerup.com.au>...
>Hello I've tried to partition my drive with Fips (1.5), but,
>it doesn't work.......
>i followed all the directions carefully but when it checks
>the file system it says 'Error unknown file system : 0BH'
>(or something to that effect)
>i have no idea why.....
>but I do have pre installed the latest version of Windoze 95
>any help would be greatly appreciated
>
>wadE
>
>wade@powerup.com.au
>

It's 19 Dec 97  21:52,
We'll return to wade@powerup.com.au and All's
discussion of Fips problems

 wa> i followed all the directions carefully but when it checks
 wa> the file system it says 'Error unknown file system : 0BH'
 wa> (or something to that effect)
 wa> i have no idea why.....
 wa> but I do have pre installed the latest version of Windoze 95
 wa> any help would be greatly appreciated

Sounds like you have a FAT32 formatted partition.  You have 2 choices:

1.  Purchase Partition Magic and resize the partition with that (it is a
good product anyway, so might be worth it).

2.  Backup, fdisk, install Linux and restore your Win 95 system.

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On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, wade wrote:

> but I do have pre installed the latest version of Windoze 95
> any help would be greatly appreciated

FIPS won't work on partitions formatted in FAT32, the format the later
revisions of Windows 95 are set to format by default. This is due to, I
beleive the specifications for FAT32 being with-held by Microsoft
Corporation, and hence is probably targetted at the Linux community,
because FIPS won't work on them.

Sorry about this. You can backup and delete, and make two new partitions.
Let me repeat this, never format a Windows 95 partition in FAT32 unless
you enjoy causing trouble.

Michael.

Michael Strates wrote:

> FIPS won't work on partitions formatted in FAT32, the format the later
>
> revisions of Windows 95 are set to format by default. This is due to,
> I
> beleive the specifications for FAT32 being with-held by Microsoft
> Corporation, and hence is probably targetted at the Linux community,
> because FIPS won't work on them.
>
> Sorry about this. You can backup and delete, and make two new
> partitions.
> Let me repeat this, never format a Windows 95 partition in FAT32
> unless
> you enjoy causing trouble.
>
> Michael.

Come on Michael, Fat32 is not that bad....well at least I havent heard
or read anything about it indicating any problems.....to me, it should
have been available years ago......but thats another swipe at ms....I
assume it wont be long before an updated version of FIPS is available
that will support Fat32.....even though ms wont release any specs, look
at NTFSDOS...snigger snigger

BTW, how is the new user group coming along? If you get it of the ground
I will come fly with you guys.....

Bryan...

On Sun, 21 Dec 1997, Freedom of Choice wrote:

> Come on Michael, Fat32 is not that bad....well at least I havent heard
> or read anything about it indicating any problems.....to me, it should
> have been available years ago......but thats another swipe at ms....I
> assume it wont be long before an updated version of FIPS is available
> that will support Fat32.....even though ms wont release any specs, look
> at NTFSDOS...snigger snigger

<grin> .. While there isn't anything bad about FAT32, what is bad, is that
I beleive that you have to sign a NDA to get the specifications, which
rules Linux out of it (unless we distribute only the binaries).
 
> BTW, how is the new user group coming along? If you get it of the ground
> I will come fly with you guys.....

Great. We're getting our webpage www.mlug.org.au sometime next week, and
the mailing list has 48 subscribers. If you want to join, look back for
the informational, you're quite welcome.

Michael.

Michael Strates <mstrates@minkirri.apana.org.au> wrote in article
<Pine.LNX.3.96.971221084436.6636A-100000@minkirri.apana.org.au>...
> FIPS won't work on partitions formatted in FAT32, the format the later
> revisions of Windows 95 are set to format by default. This is due to, I
> beleive the specifications for FAT32 being with-held by Microsoft
> Corporation, and hence is probably targetted at the Linux community,
> because FIPS won't work on them.

Or that FIPS is not brand new.  What version of it are we talking about?

> Sorry about this. You can backup and delete, and make two new partitions.
> Let me repeat this, never format a Windows 95 partition in FAT32 unless
> you enjoy causing trouble.

And want your old disk utils to fail, and want a 10% performance hit, and
..

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wade wrote:
> 
> Hello I've tried to partition my drive with Fips (1.5), but,
> it doesn't work.......
> i followed all the directions carefully but when it checks
> the file system it says 'Error unknown file system : 0BH'
> (or something to that effect)
> i have no idea why.....
> but I do have pre installed the latest version of Windoze 95
> any help would be greatly appreciated

The FAT system used by the later versions of Windows 95 is
called FAT32 
and fips15 cannot handle this.

I have just seen an announcement that a new version of fips
is now available - fips15b as a zip file which now DOES
SUPPORT FAT32.

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Freedom of Choice wrote:

> Come on Michael, Fat32 is not that bad....well at least I havent heard
> or read anything about it indicating any problems.....to me, it should
> have been available years ago......but thats another swipe at ms....I
> assume it wont be long before an updated version of FIPS is available
> that will support Fat32.....even though ms wont release any specs, look
> at NTFSDOS...snigger snigger

It is already out. I say the announcement which was psoted
on one of the FreeBSD newsgroups pointing to the Linux FAT32
homepage which now contains fips15b.zip which DOES SUPPORT
FAT32.

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It's 21 Dec 97  21:14,
We'll return to mstrates@minkirri.apana.org.au and All's
discussion of Fips problems

 <grin> .. While there isn't anything bad about FAT32, what is bad, is that
 ms> I beleive that you have to sign a NDA to get the specifications, which
 ms> rules Linux out of it (unless we distribute only the binaries).

Hmm, I thought there was already experimental FAT32 support...

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Michael Strates  <mstrates@minkirri.apana.org.au> wrote:
>revisions of Windows 95 are set to format by default. This is due to, I
>beleive the specifications for FAT32 being with-held by Microsoft
>Corporation, and hence is probably targetted at the Linux community,
>because FIPS won't work on them.

(1) The FAT32 specification is available.

(2) Linux can mount FAT32 partitions, so even if the FIPS authors could not
find the specification on Microsoft's web site, all they had to do was look
at the Linux source.

--Tim Smith

	And they did... Yesterday they announced it in c.o.l.*. I don't 
remember URL, look at DejaNews and close this damned topic!
					Good luck
						Al

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In article <349A5FEE.79259395@powerup.com.au>,
	wade <wade@powerup.com.au> writes:
> Hello I've tried to partition my drive with Fips (1.5), but,
> it doesn't work.......
> i followed all the directions carefully but when it checks
> the file system it says 'Error unknown file system : 0BH'
> (or something to that effect)
> i have no idea why.....
> but I do have pre installed the latest version of Windoze 95
> any help would be greatly appreciated
> 
Take a look at 
http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/people/chaffee/fat32.html

There is a link to FIPS version 15b.  I have not used this new program
(so I can't provide further assistance).
-- 
Hugh McCurdy

In article <349EBED0.B4B7E15@127.0.0.1>,
	Jason Clifford <postmaster@127.0.0.1> writes:
> Freedom of Choice wrote:
> 
>> Come on Michael, Fat32 is not that bad....well at least I havent heard
>> or read anything about it indicating any problems.....to me, it should
>> have been available years ago......but thats another swipe at ms....I
>> assume it wont be long before an updated version of FIPS is available
>> that will support Fat32.....even though ms wont release any specs, look
>> at NTFSDOS...snigger snigger
> 
> It is already out. I say the announcement which was psoted
> on one of the FreeBSD newsgroups pointing to the Linux FAT32
> homepage which now contains fips15b.zip which DOES SUPPORT
> FAT32.
> 
The home page is
http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/people/chaffee/fat32.html

And it indeed does include a link for this new program (which I haven't
tested...so I can't answer questions related to that).
-- 
Hugh McCurdy

I downloaded FIPS15B and partitioned my disk.  But when it finishes it
doesn't return to dos command.  The error is "can't load command"(??? I
can't remember exactly), "memory allocation error, system halted"(???)
But it did partitioned my disk.  The problem happens when I restart my
computer and windows can't work.  The error is:

"while initializing device VFBACKUP: VFBACKUP could not load vfd.vxd.  
Please run set up again."

So I ran setup again and again and again.  I even formatted the new
partition and copied all my files to that partition( it took quite some
time and long filenames disappeared).  The same error repeated. 
Eventually I rename "windows" directory to "win".  This time it worked.

FIPS doesn't partition as I expected.  I deleted many files trying to get
the second partition before 1024th cyliner (504M).  "defrag" was used. 
But still fips requested me to input the second partition starting
cylinder around 1.0G(9xxM).

Now I have 1.0g partition under linux and 2.0g under win95 (I install
win95 on the second partition not the first!!)

By the way, how large should each partition under linux be?  I am using
slackware.  Do I need a big /usr?  Or I can mount /usr/local as a separate
partition?

Bo

Jason Clifford <postmaster@127.0.0.1> writes:

>Freedom of Choice wrote:
[...]
>> assume it wont be long before an updated version of FIPS is available
>> that will support Fat32.....even though ms wont release any specs, look
>> at NTFSDOS...snigger snigger

>It is already out. I say the announcement which was psoted
>on one of the FreeBSD newsgroups pointing to the Linux FAT32
>homepage which now contains fips15b.zip which DOES SUPPORT
>FAT32.

Having just written to Jason to ask him where to find it, I found
it all by myself. 8-)

However, it seems its support for FAT32 is not universal.  Here's
what I found at http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/people/chaffee/fat32.html
Quoting the author, Gordon Chaffee:

" Fips is a program to non-destructively resize a FAT partition. 
I have done an update to fips to support FAT32. However, it still 
does not support partitions marked with type 0xC, 0xE, or 0xF. 
All of these partition type use Logical Block Addressing (LBA). 
LBA allows the BIOS to address disks over 8GB. A partition type 
of 0xC is a FAT32 partition that uses Logical Block Addressing (LBA). 
A partition type of 0xE is a FAT16 partition that uses LBA. A partition 
type of 0xF is a FAT16 partition that uses LBA but is less than 32MB. "

Cheers,  Ian S.

P.S. fips15b.zip is available as a link on the above page. 
It's about 178K.


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bzou@chat.carleton.ca (Bo Zou) writes:

> I downloaded FIPS15B and partitioned my disk.  But when it finishes it
> doesn't return to dos command.  The error is "can't load command"(??? I
> can't remember exactly), "memory allocation error, system halted"(???)
> But it did partitioned my disk.  The problem happens when I restart my
> computer and windows can't work.  The error is:
> 
> "while initializing device VFBACKUP: VFBACKUP could not load vfd.vxd.  
> Please run set up again."

Wait, are you sure you were NOT trying to resize the boot partition
with FIPS (I mean, the partition from which you started DOS up)? If
you did, there are no guarantees as to what happened...

> Bo

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 www.debian.org  # company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition.

Yes, quite sure.  I did the same thing, and surely from a boot floppy.  So,
let me repeat it: fips15B fails on my system exactly the same way.  The
result is a corrupt win/95 system.  Quite nasty.  Anyone know how to fix
windows?

So, warning to everyone else: don't use fips15b unless you are absolutely
sure that you can stomach a dead windows.

Sincerely,

/ivo welch

System:  Standard Intel Pentium-II 233MHz Motherboard (SAG computer), 6GB
EIDE drive.


Gonzalo A. Diethelm wrote:
> 
> bzou@chat.carleton.ca (Bo Zou) writes:
> 
> > I downloaded FIPS15B and partitioned my disk.  But when it finishes it
> > doesn't return to dos command.  The error is "can't load command"(??? I
> > can't remember exactly), "memory allocation error, system halted"(???)
> > But it did partitioned my disk.  The problem happens when I restart my
> > computer and windows can't work.  The error is:
> >
> > "while initializing device VFBACKUP: VFBACKUP could not load vfd.vxd.
> > Please run set up again."
> 
> Wait, are you sure you were NOT trying to resize the boot partition
> with FIPS (I mean, the partition from which you started DOS up)? If
> you did, there are no guarantees as to what happened...
> 
> > Bo
> 
> --
> Gonzalo Diethelm # Windows 95: n. 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for
> gonzo@ing.puc.cl # a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally
>  =Debian Linux=  # coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit
>  www.debian.org  # company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition.

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Ian Staples <staplei@planet.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au> wrote in article
<ELu6oE.Gv2@planet.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au>...
> Jason Clifford <postmaster@127.0.0.1> writes:
> 
> >Freedom of Choice wrote:
> [...]
> >> assume it wont be long before an updated version of FIPS is available
> >> that will support Fat32.....even though ms wont release any specs,
look
> >> at NTFSDOS...snigger snigger
> 
> >It is already out. I say the announcement which was psoted
> >on one of the FreeBSD newsgroups pointing to the Linux FAT32
> >homepage which now contains fips15b.zip which DOES SUPPORT
> >FAT32.
> 
> Having just written to Jason to ask him where to find it, I found
> it all by myself. 8-)
> 
> However, it seems its support for FAT32 is not universal.  Here's
> what I found at http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/people/chaffee/fat32.html
> Quoting the author, Gordon Chaffee:
> 
> " Fips is a program to non-destructively resize a FAT partition. 
> I have done an update to fips to support FAT32. However, it still 
> does not support partitions marked with type 0xC, 0xE, or 0xF. 
> All of these partition type use Logical Block Addressing (LBA). 
> LBA allows the BIOS to address disks over 8GB. A partition type 
> of 0xC is a FAT32 partition that uses Logical Block Addressing (LBA). 
> A partition type of 0xE is a FAT16 partition that uses LBA. A partition 
> type of 0xF is a FAT16 partition that uses LBA but is less than 32MB. "
> 
> Cheers,  Ian S.
> 
> P.S. fips15b.zip is available as a link on the above page. 
> It's about 178K.
> 
I tried it on my 4 Gb WD with 1 FAT32 partition. All seemed to go well, but
Win95 wouldn't boot afterwards. You should take Gordon's advice to backup
the boot and root partitions seriously; restorrb.exe got Win95 going again.

Ivo Welch <ivo.welch@anderson.ucla.edu> wrote in article
<34A98BD2.59EB3195@anderson.ucla.edu>...
> Yes, quite sure.  I did the same thing, and surely from a boot floppy. 
So,
> let me repeat it: fips15B fails on my system exactly the same way.  The
> result is a corrupt win/95 system.  Quite nasty.  Anyone know how to fix
> windows?
> 
I had exactly the same experience, same error messages, the works. Win95
would boot in MS-Dos mode, but that was it. Fortunately I backed up the
boot and root sectors as recommended by Gordon Chaffee, and RESTORRB.EXE
got things back to normal. Including, of course, an unpartitioned drive...

> So, warning to everyone else: don't use fips15b unless you are absolutely
> sure that you can stomach a dead windows.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> /ivo welch
> 
> System:  Standard Intel Pentium-II 233MHz Motherboard (SAG computer), 6GB
> EIDE drive.
> 
> 
> Gonzalo A. Diethelm wrote:
> > 
> > bzou@chat.carleton.ca (Bo Zou) writes:
> > 
> > > I downloaded FIPS15B and partitioned my disk.  But when it finishes
it
> > > doesn't return to dos command.  The error is "can't load command"(???
I
> > > can't remember exactly), "memory allocation error, system
halted"(???)
> > > But it did partitioned my disk.  The problem happens when I restart
my
> > > computer and windows can't work.  The error is:
> > >
> > > "while initializing device VFBACKUP: VFBACKUP could not load vfd.vxd.
> > > Please run set up again."
> > 
> > Wait, are you sure you were NOT trying to resize the boot partition
> > with FIPS (I mean, the partition from which you started DOS up)? If
> > you did, there are no guarantees as to what happened...
> > 
> > > Bo
> > 
> > --
> > Gonzalo Diethelm # Windows 95: n. 32-bit extensions and a graphical
shell for
> > gonzo@ing.puc.cl # a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system
originally
> >  =Debian Linux=  # coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit
> >  www.debian.org  # company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition.
> 
> -- 
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> 

Stephen West wrote:

> Ivo Welch <ivo.welch@anderson.ucla.edu> wrote in article
> <34A98BD2.59EB3195@anderson.ucla.edu>...
> > Yes, quite sure.  I did the same thing, and surely from a boot floppy.
> So,
> > let me repeat it: fips15B fails on my system exactly the same way.  The
> > result is a corrupt win/95 system.  Quite nasty.  Anyone know how to fix
> > windows?

umm good question??Coupla sticks of Tri Nitro Touluene might be part of the
solution
<evil grin>
Tony

On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Tony Cooper wrote:
> 
> Stephen West wrote:
> 
> > Ivo Welch <ivo.welch@anderson.ucla.edu> wrote in article
> > <34A98BD2.59EB3195@anderson.ucla.edu>...
> > > Yes, quite sure.  I did the same thing, and surely from a boot floppy.
> > So,
> > > let me repeat it: fips15B fails on my system exactly the same way.  The
> > > result is a corrupt win/95 system.  Quite nasty.  Anyone know how to fix
> > > windows?
> 
> umm good question??Coupla sticks of Tri Nitro Touluene might be part of the
> solution
> <evil grin>
> Tony

Boot from Linux Boot/Root disks and at shell type:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1

Fixes Windows every time!

JF.

Disclaimer: If you /em{really} like windows I wouldn't do the above! 

>Boot from Linux Boot/Root disks and at shell type:
>
>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1
>
>Fixes Windows every time!


Don't you think that it would be fair to explain exactly what this does in
the off chance that they decided to try it, thinking that you were helping
them retrieve the information on their broken filesystem.

You could be a little more responsible, really.

It's 04 Jan 98  14:54,
We'll return to GuruBonz@TheOffice.Net and All's
discussion of Fips problems

 > > let me repeat it: fips15B fails on my system exactly the same way.  The
 > > result is a corrupt win/95 system.  Quite nasty.  Anyone know how to fix
 > > windows?

 Gu> umm good question??Coupla sticks of Tri Nitro Touluene might be part
 Gu> of the solution
 Gu> <evil grin>
 Gu> Tony

Probably not wise, but fdisk, format c:, load Win 95 CD and running
d:\setup will get Win 95 back up fine. :-)  Of if the original poster
has a backup, it's easier. :-)

No doubt the existing Win 95 partition is totally screwed.

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